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Sry for the thead hyjack... ^^ but:
What's better:
PA480 or RX480 ( Glently Typhoons )

It's for a HardwareLabs TH10 project I MIGHT start
   
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post #32 of 41
Has anyone reviewed the Airplex Modularity rads with copper fins?!

Those things look like they could blow any rad right outta the water.
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post #33 of 41
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Well I think I’ve made my mind up I’ll go with the Black Ice GTX240 which has a 54mm thickness and 20FPI. I know that this type of radiator will require a high speed fan and in turn will make my set up a little bit loader. I have been looking at fans since I've made the decision to go with the radiator and wanted to get some opinions.

I most likely be starting out in a push but if I end up with some room may go for push/pull and will most likely be using a fan controller.

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Scythe "ULTRA KAZE" - High
3,000RPM
45.90dBA
133.60CFM
120 x 38 mm
$8.95

Scythe Gentle Typhoon
3000 RPM
36.5dBA
83.0 CFM
120mm x 25mm
$19.95

Do I need a 3,000 RPM fan? Like I said I plan on using a fan controller so I figured faster is better when i can always turn it down. I was thinking about a PWM fan for I wouldn't have to purchase a fan controller for my MoBo has plenty of fan ports left and I would be able to control fan speed from there. But I haven't found any fans for that RPM and PWM connection.
Note: Just noticed the price on the Gentle Typhoon. Ouch.
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post #34 of 41
I have 3 Ultra Kaze unused that I want to sell. Don't forget that one is 25mm thick and the other is 38mm
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post #35 of 41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KaRLiToS;14309764 
Don't forget that one is 25mm thick and the other is 38mm

Do you mean of the two fans that I listed? Yes I see that one is skinnier than the other, I assumed that is why that one has less CFM.

Details on those fans you have for sale?
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post #36 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenback;14292429 
upto about 1800 it will do as good or better then the GTX but after that the GTX does better but how much difference it will make to your over all loop I don't know, on cpu only loop there is less then a degree between all the rads once you get above 1000 rpm, on GPU+cpu it is 1.5 degrees on the thicker rads 2c on the thinner
I think the popularity of the RX series is the fact of it's performance with lower speed fans

stop spreading lies. The BI GTX starts becoming the clear winning around 1500rpm. Maybe 1800 if you have super crappy fans. I honestly don't feel like posting the chart again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by amatthie;14308528 
Well I think I’ve made my mind up I’ll go with the Black Ice GTX240 which has a 54mm thickness and 20FPI. I know that this type of radiator will require a high speed fan and in turn will make my set up a little bit loader. I have been looking at fans since I've made the decision to go with the radiator and wanted to get some opinions.

I most likely be starting out in a push but if I end up with some room may go for push/pull and will most likely be using a fan controller.

Fans:
Scythe "ULTRA KAZE" - High
3,000RPM
45.90dBA
133.60CFM
120 x 38 mm
$8.95

Scythe Gentle Typhoon
3000 RPM
36.5dBA
83.0 CFM
120mm x 25mm
$19.95

Do I need a 3,000 RPM fan? Like I said I plan on using a fan controller so I figured faster is better when i can always turn it down. I was thinking about a PWM fan for I wouldn't have to purchase a fan controller for my MoBo has plenty of fan ports left and I would be able to control fan speed from there. But I haven't found any fans for that RPM and PWM connection.
Note: Just noticed the price on the Gentle Typhoon. Ouch.

OP, you can go with the 1850rpm version of the Gentle typhoons and be more than fine using that radiator. You will also not want to run 3000 rpm fans off of your motherboard, they pull a ton of power and may damage it. Fan controller is always the best bet. Lamptron makes some of the highest quality while sunbeam makes great cheap-o ones. Ultra kaze 2000 rpm fans will be great. I used them in an old build and weren't very loud, especially after turned down. I'm actually using 1700 rpm noiseblockers for my build with the GTX series radiators. They're also a rather awesome choice since they're super quiet and will perform well.
Edited by fat_italian_stallion - 7/22/11 at 10:26pm
 
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post #37 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by fat_italian_stallion;14314572 
stop spreading lies. The BI GTX starts becoming the clear winning around 1500rpm. Maybe 1800 if you have super crappy fans. I honestly don't feel like posting the chart again.

by the chart on skinnee labs
cpu only
at 1400rpm the GTX is 5.70 the RX is 5.57 RX= 0.13
at 1800rpm the GTX is 4.05 the RX is 4.65 GTX = 0.6
so if we split the difference over 1500-1600 and 1700rpm the GTX would be ahead by 0.1175 - 0.235 and 0.3525 so saying a clear winner is a bit much
even at 2800 rpm there is only 0.92c difference
cpu+gpu
at 1400rpm the GTX is 9.53 the RX is 9.31 RX= 0.13
at 1800rpm the GTX is 6.76 the RX is 7.77 GTX = 1.01
so if we split the difference over 1500-1600 and 1700rpm the GTX would be ahead by 0.2525 - 0.505 and 0.7575 it is a bigger difference but is 0.25c really a clear winner?
and at 2800 rpm there is only 1.54c difference

as the info on 1500-1600 and 1700rpm isn't available my comment is correct, I did say the GTX is better after 1800rpm

and I did say how much difference a 0.92 difference will make on a cpu loop and 1.54 on a gpu loop I don't know

so calling me a liar is crap
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if it begins to win at 1500 rpm why would it start losing at higher rpms if it is the best rad for higher rpms period? the XSPC bandwagon is horrendous on here. They're good bang for the buck but nothing more.
 
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post #39 of 41
Skinnee's testing is with external rads and no fan filters. So if you have fan filters (decreases air flow ~10% at minimum with best filters and internal rad subtract another 10% for air resistance at minimum) then GTX probably wont outperform XSPC or TC rad until around 1700 rpms using same setup.

I have owned TC, GTX, SR1, Swiftech, TFC, XSPC, I didnt keep my GTX, since my fan speed is usually at 1000 to 1200 rpms, and maxes to 1770 when using GT's or 1550 when using scythe sflex on controller. With my setup I lose 28% air flow from air filters and internal case resistance (measured with dallas temp probes vs dropping side panels and removing fan filters), so I never got into speeds where GTX outperformed, and only suffered by 2C at lower speed.

XSPC is popular not from fanboyism, just that it performs better at quiet speeds, and probably same until reach ~1700 rpms using dust filters with internal rads.

Though if you have San Aces and run at 1500rpm min and up from there, and want the extra cooling at jet engine noise fans, then GTX is clearly best.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by opt33;14318317 
Skinnee's testing is with external rads and no fan filters. So if you have fan filters (decreases air flow ~10% at minimum with best filters and internal rad subtract another 10% for air resistance at minimum) then GTX probably wont outperform XSPC or TC rad until around 1700 rpms using same setup.

I have owned TC, GTX, SR1, Swiftech, TFC, XSPC, I didnt keep my GTX, since my fan speed is usually at 1000 to 1200 rpms, and maxes to 1770 when using GT's or 1550 when using scythe sflex on controller. With my setup I lose 28% air flow from air filters and internal case resistance (measured with dallas temp probes vs dropping side panels and removing fan filters), so I never got into speeds where GTX outperformed, and only suffered by 2C at lower speed.

XSPC is popular not from fanboyism, just that it performs better at quiet speeds, and probably same until reach ~1700 rpms using dust filters with internal rads.

Though if you have San Aces and run at 1500rpm min and up from there, and want the extra cooling at jet engine noise fans, then GTX is clearly best.

alway a pleasure to read your posts sir:thumb:
    
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