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Hey guys, I joined up and old P4 of mine with one my friend had. He wanted a better PC but doesn't want to spend any cash (maybe a couple dozen bucks, but no more..). My insides came from a Gateway 500X:
Intel MB (I don't know the model, no OC, few BIOS options, standard layout for this socket (the same as his). No SATA.
P4 2.53GHz SL60W + CM heatsink, w/ ~40mm fan; maybe Cooler Master DP4-6I51? (link: http://www.cwc-group.com/dp46i51.html )
512MB DDR 166MHz (?)
NVidia GeForce MX 440 (I also have an 6200GT lying around, but I've got to look for it).
80GB HDD (IDE)
Sound Blaster Audigy Live!
No PSU (died some time ago, that's why it was sitting around...).
His:
ASRock P4i65G
P4 2.26Ghz + Intel heatsink. A bit bigger than the CM sink,
512MB DDR (Unkown clockrate, 133MHz maybe?). I put my RAM in his MB and it worked, so I'm guessing it is 133MHz and mine is underclocked.
Integrated GPU (won't even run GTA SA, lol).
Unknown sound card (looks like junk, it's got 1/4" plugs).
Crappy PSU, no brand. I can't remember the stats, but I'm pretty sure that it had more amps on the 5V rail that the 12V rail so it's probably useless...
Anyways, I was planning on using the case the 500X came in:



Very nice case, even screwless PSU installation. The only con is I couldn't get the MB of, lol. No, I'm not dumb, even the gateway instructions say to remove screws and slide to the right (there are some latches on the back) but it's like it's stuck in mine... the dude said he likes the looks of his case anyways so I forwent any further exploring...

So I ended up with:
P4 2.53GHz SL60W w/ the other CPU's heatsink (intel stock)
ASRock P4i65G
His PSU
GeForce MX 440 (will be changed for a 6200 GT)
1GB DDR RAM, which I assume is running @ 133Mhz
2x80GB HDDs (IDE)
Sound Blaster Audigy Live!

I told him he should get a good SATA drive, like the Samsung Spinpoint F4 2TB, since it would be faster that his IDE drives, and he won't have to worry about storage for quite some time... He could even use it in his next build, so it wouldn't be $ spent pointlessly on a P4...

So now the plan is to OC this thing, and install W7 on it (I'm going to strip it to barebones) or XP, if W7 doesn't work well and he doesn't want to buy another GB of RAM.

So, the questions are:
How OCble is the CPU? Which heatsink should I use (I already installed the stock one, just b/c they're both aluminum and the stock is bigger)? Noise isn't a bigge, but a quiet PC is preferable over 100MHz, lol.
Is W7 stripped to the minimum w/ no superfetch a good choice?
Should he get the SATA drive? Will the SATA drive connected to 1st gen SATA be faster than his IDE drives?
Edited by adriangb - 7/20/11 at 8:13pm
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post #2 of 28
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Originally Posted by adriangb View Post
So, the questions are:
How OCble is the CPU? Which heatsink should I use (I already installed the stock one, just b/c they're both aluminum and the stock is bigger)? Noise isn't a bigge, but a quiet PC is preferable over 100MHz, lol.
Is W7 stripped to the minimum w/ no superfetch a good choice?
Should he get the SATA drive? Will the SATA drive connected to 1st gen SATA be faster than his IDE drives?
P4's are very overclockable. However, you are limited by how big of a heat sink you could put in to that case. For this situation, (I don't normally recommend them due to a lower price/performance ratio than good air coolers) you should look in to a Corsair H50.

As far as W7 goes, no. W7 would be quite sluggish on this system. Actually, since I'm assuming he isn't going to be gaming on this thing, he may want to look in to a linux distro if he doesn't use any programs in particular that wouldn't be compatible.

The SATA drive really won't be any faster than good IDE, even if it was on that system you most likely won't notice the difference due to how slow the RAM is. You might as well keep the IDE drive even if you reuse the hard drive considering how common HDD failures are.

Hope I helped.
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post #3 of 28
this will run windows 7. take a look at nettbooks 1.6 atom 1gb ram whereas p4 2.53ghz 1gb ram probably dedicated graphics card. ive seen windows 7 on a p3 and 256mb ram
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Originally Posted by DAI_JAZZER View Post
this will run windows 7. take a look at nettbooks 1.6 atom 1gb ram whereas p4 2.53ghz 1gb ram probably dedicated graphics card. ive seen windows 7 on a p3 and 256mb ram
Just because it is POSSIBLE does not mean it is optimal. Of course any computer with a chip that supports the x86 instruction set family will run Windows 7. The system would run significantly faster on Windows XP than it would Windows 7 because applications would not be limited to such a small amount of RAM.
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post #5 of 28
I searched for your motherboard all i would say is;

if you want to install windows 7 i dont think it supports your 6200

If i was me and your was been series i would

Buy a Hyper thread pentium 4 as it supports them
2gb ddr 400
and a nvidia 8400 AGP

No point buying the samsung spinpoint either just stick with ide when he comes to his new build later there maybe better hard drives out then anyway, if he was doing a new build soon then just wait

And install 7 it should work ok for the normal stuff flash games internet ect and some older games
Edited by alex-fitton - 7/21/11 at 12:49am
 
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I had windows 7 installed in my dads old P4 system and ended up putting back windows XP due to the laggyness. Also there was a lot less stress on the CPU with less processes running. So I say just stick on Windows XP.
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I had windows 7 installed in my dads old P4 system and ended up putting back windows XP due to the laggyness. Also there was a lot less stress on the CPU with less processes running. So I say just stick on Windows XP.
my dad had a socket 775 2.8ghz HT and it ran didnt play games or anything on it though.

He had 3gb ram and a intergrated gpu though

Edit: Where abouts are you from? @adriangb
Edited by alex-fitton - 7/21/11 at 12:58am
 
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my dad had a socket 775 2.8ghz HT and it ran didnt play games or anything on it though.

He had 3gb ram and a intergrated gpu though

Edit: Where abouts are you from? @adriangb
It is integrated and what does your experience using three times as much RAM have to do with this guy's 1GB RAM system?
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It is integrated and what does your experience using three times as much RAM have to do with this guy's 1GB RAM system?
Did you read my post earlier?

It was only 32bit 7 so it cant allocate more than 2GB Anyway

I said to upgrade to two gb by a dedicated graphics card and buy a Pentium 4 HT and dont buy the samsung hard drive
 
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Did you read my post earlier?

It was only 32bit 7 so it cant allocate more than 2GB Anyway

I said to upgrade to two gb by a dedicated graphics card and buy a Pentium 4 HT and dont buy the samsung hard drive
No.... a 32bit OS can allocate 4096MB ( 2^32 bytes ), though Windows 7 only uses 3.4GB. Either way, that is a lot more than 2GB.
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