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Morning,

I've been messing around with RAID and found that i was running into problems trying to install "RAID" on windows larger than 2 gig, and this is to do with the MBR and the old black screen bios that were on, i did partition it too around about 200 gig that i was going to install windows on but still kept getting the error message after installing. (i used to have windows installed on 2 x stripped 1 TB drives)

Any way question is, I've installed an SSD 64 gig crucial and have that as my main drive, and have the following set up, one as a data redundancy and one as a drive "stripped" to install some of my stuff to and run the main movies/videos etc from that (which is in turn backed up to the mirror)

I had a question, in the "mirror array" there are 2 identical samsung drives but in the stripped there are 2 x 1TB samsungs, sames specs, just different model numbers, and also a 1 x 2 GIG samsung but I've just noticed that the speed of the 2TB is 5400 and the speed of the other samsungs are 7200, even though i have them stripped would it be affecting performance by having one of the drives in the array slower than the others, so in affect there's 2 drives in the array that are 7200rpm and one that is 5400rpm, i was thinking of going and grabbing another 1 x TB and either using RAID 10 or stripped for performance as it would have 4 x 1 TB drives all together and then this can all be backed up to the single 2 x TB drive.

Disk Drive AMD 1X2 Mirror/RAID1 SCSI Disk Device (931 GB)
Disk Drive AMD 2+0 Stripe/RAID0 SCSI Disk Device (1862 GB)


so couple of questions

1)Should i put another 1 TB drive in the array for performance? and remove the 1 x 2TB and have this just for back up.

2)Should i enable the "mirror" and the "raid stripping" etc all in the bios when you boot your computer and press CTR + F or some thing along those lines? or would it be better for me to do it in windows computer management? i was wanting to stay away from things like "acronis" but then again i suppose it might come in handy, i seen windows can make an image of the C:\ which i've done and have my boot up disk handy so my SSD drive is backed up, just not sure if windows is good at it or if i as i say should use acronis.


I understand that a proper raid controller with it's battery back up and memory is way oput the question as there megga bucks so that ones out of there.

Hope that all makes sense...lol


Mo.
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bios all the way.

i must be honest i have never really liked software raid but it is better if you are going to migrate the raid from one pc to another - so i heard

i prefer doing bios raid.

download the latest drivers stick onto flash disk or cd or dvd.

go into bios and change the option from what ever it is to raid.

save or hit f10 then enter

creat new raid. - when the boot screen shows up to do something press CTRL + I

select raid trype you want to create.

select disks you want to creat the raid on.

then save the raid that has just been created

then install latest drivers

install OS
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thanks for that, OK I'll stick with the bios "raid" when i had the drives set up in raid windows never had a problem finding the "unallocated" space and just went ahead and installed as normal up the end when it hung, should i have still been installing drivers from the MB disk or web site at this time? when windows boots?

I know on my old AMD board i had a couple of drivers that i would load at the time of pressing "f6" and loading them from there, but thought that was old school now with windows 7 and it did find them "just unallocated" and it was right at the end of windows when it came back with the error.

main system is on the SSD now so happy with this so far.

Would it be worth me getting another 1 x TB and using that in the array as "stripped" that way there all spinning along at 7200rpm rather than one of them at a slower speed?

I take it if the bios finds some thing wrong when your running a mirror then it'll alert you that a disk is faulty and ask you to replace it so it can rebuild the image, only if i have it set up as "mirror" of course which do i go for, another 1 x tb samsung and have it as "raid 10" or make sure that it's just backed up and go for 4 x 1TB's stripped for performance????
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Raid-spray.jpg

Sorry, I couldn't resist the urge tongue.gif
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lolol...ha haven't seen that for a while....
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Originally Posted by mowax;14292030 
thanks for that, OK I'll stick with the bios "raid" when i had the drives set up in raid windows never had a problem finding the "unallocated" space and just went ahead and installed as normal up the end when it hung, should i have still been installing drivers from the MB disk or web site at this time? when windows boots?

it does nto matter. but i would dl the latest version and use that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mowax;14292030 
I know on my old AMD board i had a couple of drivers that i would load at the time of pressing "f6" and loading them from there, but thought that was old school now with windows 7 and it did find them "just unallocated" and it was right at the end of windows when it came back with the error.


i genraly just use the windows 7 disk and all the drivers that come with it. i do not even use the mobo drivers disk that comes with the board



Quote:
Originally Posted by mowax;14292030 
Would it be worth me getting another 1 x TB and using that in the array as "stripped" that way there all spinning along at 7200rpm rather than one of them at a slower speed?

it is best to have 2 mecanical disks in a raid than a ssd and a hdd. if you raid the mecanical with the solid state you are just waisting a lot of money and performance.
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I take it if the bios finds some thing wrong when your running a mirror then it'll alert you that a disk is faulty and ask you to replace it so it can rebuild the image, only if i have it set up as "mirror" of course which do i go for, another 1 x tb samsung and have it as "raid 10" or make sure that it's just backed up and go for 4 x 1TB's stripped for performance????

raid 10 is good.

it is striped and mirrored.

if you have a fault the system will tell you in the boot up screen.

or go to intel and dl there software ad it will tell you the health and all inside of windows as well
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thanks, yeah i have kept the SSD on it's own, and have 4 mechanical drives, one of which is the 5200rpm two TB, and the other three are the 7200's -

that was the question really, does having a 5200 in a RAID array slow the rest of the drives down? so in affect do all the drives then become 5200RPM speed when reading/writing?

I did have all 4 set up in RAID 10 (of course keeping the SSD out the loop) which seemed a very good way to do it, that way I'm getting redundancy and mirror at the same time. just toying with the idea of grabbing another 1tb and using it as "stripped" then using the single 2 TB as a back up......

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tbh.....
i would not worry about a disk for redundancy. if you got a hdd alreadylocated for every nite or when ever setup for backing up...... hwy bother... all it will do is slow down the ssd and then you may as well not have bought the ssd.

so my answer is no. do not set up a hdd for redundancy for your ssd.

the secondary drive yes ahve that set up as raid 0 to get the most performance out your pc as 64 gig is not much for a main drive to get apps and what ever ealse installed on it
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thanks, yeah i have kept the SSD on it's own, and have 4 mechanical drives, one of which is the 5200rpm two TB, and the other three are the 7200's -

that was the question really, does having a 5200 in a RAID array slow the rest of the drives down? so in affect do all the drives then become 5200RPM speed when reading/writing?

I did have all 4 set up in RAID 10 (of course keeping the SSD out the loop) which seemed a very good way to do it, that way I'm getting redundancy and mirror at the same time. just toying with the idea of grabbing another 1tb and using it as "stripped" then using the single 2 TB as a back up......

thanks bud.



yes having a fasdt drive and a slow drive together in a raid is not good. the faster drive will ahve to slow down to the slow drive and makeing things even worse for you... if you want to do that run the 7200 hdd by its self and you will get better performance that way than actualy raiding them
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yeah thanks very much for that, i am leaving the SSD alone and this is by it's self, i am goign to nip to the shops and get me self another 1TB and then come home and split the machine up, i need to install some mosfet coolers as well (for another thread on here that i'm working on) and then i'll put all four of the 1TB's together in riad 0 as stripped and that way there'll be 4 all with the same speed, and then that means that i can keep the single single two TB drive as the back up for a windows image from the SSD and i'll get it to back up any important files from the RAID 0 to the single 1x2TB drive

Thanks for your time, what's the best automatic back up program that you guys have seen out there, any one used acronis, i wouldn't mind some thing when i'm not in or around that will back up the SSD and the also the RAID 0 array (don't worry there's less than 2 gig's worth of data so no need to worry about running out of space yet) on the single 2 gig drive.

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