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post #11 of 73
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Originally Posted by Dwood View Post
Yep, its like WoW haters, we know it's getting old but it still sells like crazy and has numerous subscribers and it really is fun like COD
Except WoW is constantly changing gameplay and adding genuinely new content, and it's still without a doubt the most polished and "finished" MMORPG. Not really a valid comparison. WoW has changed more in its lifetime than CoD has changed from 4 to BlOps.
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He's right.

It's like all of these people who bash Apple products.

At the end of the day, customer satisfaction is all that matters. If they enjoyed the previous version, they will buy the next version. They will continue to do so until the product no longer satisfies them. Humans are creatures of comfort.

Whilst I may not personally enjoy the COD series anymore, I won't belittle the series considering how well it's selling.

People can come in here and tell me that quality doesn't equal quantity all they want, but when a game is topping nearly every chart imaginable, I don't see how they have valids arguments to oppose the figures and statistics.

I put it down to personal opinion.
Actually bashing it, sure. The thing is though, people are noticing that there are alternatives that are superior(many of my friends who play on consoles as well as PC are excited for BF3 and not MW3). From what I'm seeing, people are comparing the two and thinking MW3 is the lesser game from what has seen thus far.


Sure there will be the bashers, but now the normal folk are sorta agreeing. What I find quite ironic though is this statement:
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Which means they're probably unattractive. And prone to inexplicable bouts of racism.
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Can't say I blame him.
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CoD is not really like WoW, because there are other options for shooter fans looking for a good game in the genre.

name objectively, a proper MMORPG that was of or near the quality of WoW and offered a viable alternative. That situation is only likely to change starting this year.
Yeah I guess you're right about that but what game compares to COD? BFBC2 is a whole different game, I like BFBC2 style better but I'm way better at COD
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“If they buy the next Call of Duty, it’s because they loved the last one and they want more of it,” Carmack told IndustryGamers. “So I am pretty down on people who take the sort of creative auteurs' perspective. It's like 'Oh, we’re not being creative.' But we're creating value for people - that’s our job! It’s not to do something that nobody’s ever seen before. It’s to do something that people love so much they’re willing to give us money for."
So he's admitting releasing regurge after regurge to a fanbase that's locked into their nice corner of fun, works.

Why innovate, just keep feeding the hunger.

From a business standpoint makes sense..

Though quite frankly having games like BF3 and GW2 which innovate and change the general idea of how the game is played if better imo... there's a place for both sides.
    
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I see Carmack's point, but I think people are starting to hate hard on CoD because of how often a new one comes out. Yeah, you don't have to do something that's never been seen before, but that doesn't mean to release what people consider to be the exact same thing every single year - I think that's where people are getting mad about the CoD series. If MW2 or Black Ops didn't add anything at all to the franchise, then why even release them?

It's all money, that's why. But if people are still going to buy regardless, who's to say they can't do that? As long as there are customers out there willing to fork over cash, they'll output more CoD.
 
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I'm not exactly angry at Activison or IW/Trey for releasing barely distinguishable games every year. It just irritates me when I see so many who play CoD because they simply don't know other games. What other reason could explain why MW3 is expected by most to be inferior to BF3, while also outselling it? For me, CoD is like the game for people who don't game. Almost everyone has it.
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Originally Posted by IcedEarth View Post
He's right.

It's like all of these people who bash Apple products.

At the end of the day, customer satisfaction is all that matters. If they enjoyed the previous version, they will buy the next version. They will continue to do so until the product no longer satisfies them. Humans are creatures of comfort.

Whilst I may not personally enjoy the COD series anymore, I won't belittle the series considering how well it's selling.

People can come in here and tell me that quality doesn't equal quantity all they want, but when a game is topping nearly every chart imaginable, I don't see how they have valids arguments to oppose the figures and statistics.

I put it down to personal opinion.
I like cod 4 and 5 WAY more than BC2, BC2 kinda sucks. No maps, its too hard to level, not nearly as much customization as CoD, and there are 4 gamemodes, and 2 of which i havent even played cuz i cant find a server.
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i don't belittle CoD or apple fans, but Carmack's argument is a joke. if you can't see why people would complain about a CoD or apple....puh-lease.

CoD is still great as far as shooters go, but it's rehashed to hell and back and the rehashing is what people are tired of. they're not all necessarily saying it's awful.

same goes for apple products. the brand and image and "feel" may please certain people and that's fine, but their stuff is vastly overpriced for the performance they offer.

but nuh uh, it's great cuz it sells obviously i just hate it cuz it's popular.
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I like cod 4 and 5 WAY more than BC2, BC2 kinda sucks. No maps, its too hard to level, not nearly as much customization as CoD, and there are 4 gamemodes, and 2 of which i havent even played cuz i cant find a server.
Seriously? I'm in australia which has next to no servers compared to the US and I can still find a few servers of each. You sure your filter isn't messed up? As for the rest... I can agree with, however there have been 2 COD games since them(3 if you include MW3, which lets face it will be really similar) and people want a change. Its like listening to the same song for a year constantly, you're gonna jump off a bridge eventually.
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