Overclock.net › Forums › Video Games › Video Games - General › [MaximumPC] Carmack Rages Over Devs' “Snooty Attitude” Toward Call of Duty
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[MaximumPC] Carmack Rages Over Devs' “Snooty Attitude” Toward Call of Duty - Page 6

post #51 of 73
Kotickvision IW MW3 < EA DICE BF3
Nehalem
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 950 @ 4.3GHz Evga X58 3SLI 2X SLI Evga GTX 275 FTWs 756/1620/1296 6GB Mushkin Blackline 1600MHz 78720591T 
Hard DriveMonitorPower
OCZ Vertex2 60GB Sony FW900 Corsair 850TX 
  hide details  
Reply
Nehalem
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 950 @ 4.3GHz Evga X58 3SLI 2X SLI Evga GTX 275 FTWs 756/1620/1296 6GB Mushkin Blackline 1600MHz 78720591T 
Hard DriveMonitorPower
OCZ Vertex2 60GB Sony FW900 Corsair 850TX 
  hide details  
Reply
post #52 of 73
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRockMonsi;14308364 
In the first part he was simply stating that the industry needs it's cash cows, but in the last he was saying while although that's the case, it is actually possible to milk it too much. That's what I got from it anyway. It's okay to have a cash cow, but don't milk it to the point that the utters fall off.

Yes, yes. Rereading my post I can see how it could seem contradictory, I wasn't as clear as I would have liked. But this is the gist I was trying to get across.

In summary: Carmack is not an "ass" for recognizing that gaming is a business, and making money is the reason games are created in the first place. But as with anything in business, oversaturation of a market or over-exploitation of a customer base can actually hurt the business.
Vulcan's PC
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 6700K Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming 7 EVGA GTX 970 G.Skill Ripjaws 4 DDR4-3000 16GB (4x4) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial M500 SSD Western Digital Caviar LG Blu-Ray burner Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Pro x64 Acer XB270HU Logitech G15 ThermalTake Smart 750W 
CaseMouse
Lian Li PC-6077 Logitech G5 
  hide details  
Reply
Vulcan's PC
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 6700K Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming 7 EVGA GTX 970 G.Skill Ripjaws 4 DDR4-3000 16GB (4x4) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial M500 SSD Western Digital Caviar LG Blu-Ray burner Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Pro x64 Acer XB270HU Logitech G15 ThermalTake Smart 750W 
CaseMouse
Lian Li PC-6077 Logitech G5 
  hide details  
Reply
post #53 of 73
It's only because people only know what they are exposed to, which is mainstream titles like CoD.
Ice Wings
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 3570K @ 4.5GHz Asus Sabertooth Z77 Asus Nvidia Geforce GTX 980 Samsung Green MV-3V4G3D/US 8GB 2x4GB DDR3 1600MHZ 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
OCZ Agility 3 240GB  Samsung F4 HD204UI Noctua NH-D14 Windows 10 Pro 64 bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus RoG Swift PG278Q Ducky One (DKON1687) MX Reds w/ PBT keycaps. SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold Fractal Design Define R4 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitech G303 Puretrak Talent  
  hide details  
Reply
Ice Wings
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 3570K @ 4.5GHz Asus Sabertooth Z77 Asus Nvidia Geforce GTX 980 Samsung Green MV-3V4G3D/US 8GB 2x4GB DDR3 1600MHZ 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
OCZ Agility 3 240GB  Samsung F4 HD204UI Noctua NH-D14 Windows 10 Pro 64 bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus RoG Swift PG278Q Ducky One (DKON1687) MX Reds w/ PBT keycaps. SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold Fractal Design Define R4 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitech G303 Puretrak Talent  
  hide details  
Reply
post #54 of 73
Quote:
Originally Posted by FLCLimax;14306034 
carmack is an ass now. he's not the same person that PC gamers used to worship. most things he has to say for the past 5+ years boils down to "XBOX XBOX XBOX MONEY MONEY Nintendo sucks AMD sucks XBOX XBOX XBOX".

the man sounds just like my little cousin, that's not a good thing.

that's not fair to carmack tongue.gif why does everything have to be so hyperbolic online. he was just pointing out that nvidia does more work with game developers, which is true.
post #55 of 73
On PC, my opinion is that MW2 patently sucked. Hard. The lack of dedicated servers REALLY killed it. Only being able to have a tiny number of players in a server at a time, etc... And the obnoxious 10 minute wait between games due to the stupid lobby system.

However, I really like Black Ops. I personally think it has combined some of the best things from Cod 4, Cod 5 and MW2, plus adding some new things, all wrapped up with decent support for dedicated servers and a half decent server browser.

It will be my last CoD purchase, as I feel cheated for having caving in and purchasing MW2, and as there is nothing left that the CoD series will be able to offer that I would feel the need to purchase. Especially when it will be CoD 8 and yet still use the same engine and have the same graphics as CoD 4.
Slow and Crappy
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 960 Asus Rampage II Gene GTX480 6x 2GB Mushkin Redline 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
OCZ Vertex 3 MaxIOPS 120GB / 2x WD RE4 2TB RAID 1 Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1 Corsair TX850 V2 Lian-Li PC-A04B 
  hide details  
Reply
Slow and Crappy
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 960 Asus Rampage II Gene GTX480 6x 2GB Mushkin Redline 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
OCZ Vertex 3 MaxIOPS 120GB / 2x WD RE4 2TB RAID 1 Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1 Corsair TX850 V2 Lian-Li PC-A04B 
  hide details  
Reply
post #56 of 73
Quote:
Originally Posted by VulcanDragon;14309336 
In summary: Carmack is not an "ass" for recognizing that gaming is a business, and making money is the reason games are created in the first place.

Wouldn't disagree with that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by VulcanDragon;14309336 
But as with anything in business, oversaturation of a market or over-exploitation of a customer base can actually hurt the business.

Which is exactly why people are getting down on Activision. The same people Carmack is "raging" against.

So you could argue that Carmack is an "ass" for not recognising this blatant fact in regards to what the COD brand has become (stagnant/uninspiring/etc) and accusing those who have negative views towards it of just being snooty because its popular.
It's-a tu maaach
(12 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 750 @ 4GHz (1.2 vcore) Asus P7P55D EVO Powercolor 5850 4x 2GB of Corsair XMS 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitorKeyboard
2x 250GB (Raid 0) XSPC Raystorm CPU block + EK 360 rad + XSPC Dua... Samsung UE37C6000  Corsair K90 + Logitech G13 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Jeantech 1000W Corsair Obsidian 800D Corsair M90 Edirol UA-25 > pair of Pioneer S-DJ08  
  hide details  
Reply
It's-a tu maaach
(12 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 750 @ 4GHz (1.2 vcore) Asus P7P55D EVO Powercolor 5850 4x 2GB of Corsair XMS 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitorKeyboard
2x 250GB (Raid 0) XSPC Raystorm CPU block + EK 360 rad + XSPC Dua... Samsung UE37C6000  Corsair K90 + Logitech G13 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Jeantech 1000W Corsair Obsidian 800D Corsair M90 Edirol UA-25 > pair of Pioneer S-DJ08  
  hide details  
Reply
post #57 of 73
when money get s to your head like it did to him you become a kid again and play childs games
 
A955 Phenomator
(16 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2700k @4.8ghz g1 sniper3 msi 660ti 3gb 32 gb mushkind silverline 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
intel 180gb ssd ocz 120gb solid3 ocz 120gb vertex plus ocz 120gb vertex plus 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
ocz 120gb vertex plus seagate 3tb seagate 3tb lg bur-ay 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
noctuca d-14 windows 8 pro samsung 23in led samung 19in lcd w 
PowerCase
ocz-b 1000w shinobi xl black 
CPUMotherboardRAMRAM
amd phenom2 955be 4.26ghz stable gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H rev 2.1 CORSAIR XMS CORSAIR XMS 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
OCZ solid3 SEAGATE Barracuda 7200.12  SEAGATE Barracuda 7200.12  DVD-RW 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
mugen 2 WIN7 ULTIMATE 64BIT 1x24in Samsung LED s24sa300 and 1X19IN SAMSUNG ... Logisys red/blue led! 
PowerCase
thermaltake 750w Z9 plus with some fan mods! 
  hide details  
Reply
 
A955 Phenomator
(16 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2700k @4.8ghz g1 sniper3 msi 660ti 3gb 32 gb mushkind silverline 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
intel 180gb ssd ocz 120gb solid3 ocz 120gb vertex plus ocz 120gb vertex plus 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
ocz 120gb vertex plus seagate 3tb seagate 3tb lg bur-ay 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
noctuca d-14 windows 8 pro samsung 23in led samung 19in lcd w 
PowerCase
ocz-b 1000w shinobi xl black 
CPUMotherboardRAMRAM
amd phenom2 955be 4.26ghz stable gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H rev 2.1 CORSAIR XMS CORSAIR XMS 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
OCZ solid3 SEAGATE Barracuda 7200.12  SEAGATE Barracuda 7200.12  DVD-RW 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
mugen 2 WIN7 ULTIMATE 64BIT 1x24in Samsung LED s24sa300 and 1X19IN SAMSUNG ... Logisys red/blue led! 
PowerCase
thermaltake 750w Z9 plus with some fan mods! 
  hide details  
Reply
post #58 of 73
Quote:
Originally Posted by alick;14310619 
when money get s to your head like it did to him you become a kid again and play childs games

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

"But we're creating value for people - that’s our job! It’s not to do something that nobody’s ever seen before. It’s to do something that people love so much they’re willing to give us money for."

Carmack has always had this stance. Keen was the first side scrolling mario knockoff on PC, and c'mon, Wolf3D and Doom are absolutely simple games to cater to what people wanted.

Carmack likes games that are easy to get into and fun to play, and not because money got to his head, but because that's just the game that he enjoys playing. Any you know what, what he said is true. People buy call of duty x because they liked the last one. It's not my type of game, and that's ok, because there are many developers still catering to the true hardcore gamers (like tripwire for fps).

Carmack wants to make engines, and he really doesn't care much about anything else, people need to realize this. This is coming from someone who goes to Quakecon every year. The guy rants on engine tech and rockets until your a$$ literally hurts from sitting so long, and absolutely does no talking about any gameplay features; he just wants a solid feeling shotgun and badass enemies in a simple fps, the rest is gravy.
VIP3R
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 750 @ 4.0GHz 1.35v EVGA P55 LE GTX 480 @ 850/2155 8GB Corsair XMS3 1600mhz 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
2x 500GB F3s RAID0, 1x 7200.11 1.5TB, 1x 500GB Win7 64-bit 27'' Dell 2707WTP + 2x HP LP2465 IBM Model M mini 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
OCZ ProXStream 1000w CM Storm Scout DeathAdder 3.5g Artisan Shiden-Kai mid 
AudioAudio
Xonar D2X Beyerdynamic DT880 '03 
  hide details  
Reply
VIP3R
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 750 @ 4.0GHz 1.35v EVGA P55 LE GTX 480 @ 850/2155 8GB Corsair XMS3 1600mhz 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
2x 500GB F3s RAID0, 1x 7200.11 1.5TB, 1x 500GB Win7 64-bit 27'' Dell 2707WTP + 2x HP LP2465 IBM Model M mini 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
OCZ ProXStream 1000w CM Storm Scout DeathAdder 3.5g Artisan Shiden-Kai mid 
AudioAudio
Xonar D2X Beyerdynamic DT880 '03 
  hide details  
Reply
post #59 of 73
lolcats-funny-pictures-submissions.jpgtongue.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by mechtech;14311016 
ABSOLUTELY NOT!

"But we're creating value for people - that’s our job! It’s not to do something that nobody’s ever seen before. It’s to do something that people love so much they’re willing to give us money for."

Carmack has always had this stance. Keen was the first side scrolling mario knockoff on PC, and c'mon, Wolf3D and Doom are absolutely simple games to cater to what people wanted.

Carmack likes games that are easy to get into and fun to play, and not because money got to his head, but because that's just the game that he enjoys playing. Any you know what, what he said is true. People buy call of duty x because they liked the last one. It's not my type of game, and that's ok, because there are many developers still catering to the true hardcore gamers (like tripwire for fps).

Carmack wants to make engines, and he really doesn't care much about anything else, people need to realize this. This is coming from someone who goes to Quakecon every year. The guy rants on engine tech and rockets until your a$$ literally hurts from sitting so long, and absolutely does no talking about any gameplay features; he just wants a solid feeling shotgun and badass enemies in a simple fps, the rest is gravy.
 
A955 Phenomator
(16 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2700k @4.8ghz g1 sniper3 msi 660ti 3gb 32 gb mushkind silverline 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
intel 180gb ssd ocz 120gb solid3 ocz 120gb vertex plus ocz 120gb vertex plus 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
ocz 120gb vertex plus seagate 3tb seagate 3tb lg bur-ay 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
noctuca d-14 windows 8 pro samsung 23in led samung 19in lcd w 
PowerCase
ocz-b 1000w shinobi xl black 
CPUMotherboardRAMRAM
amd phenom2 955be 4.26ghz stable gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H rev 2.1 CORSAIR XMS CORSAIR XMS 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
OCZ solid3 SEAGATE Barracuda 7200.12  SEAGATE Barracuda 7200.12  DVD-RW 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
mugen 2 WIN7 ULTIMATE 64BIT 1x24in Samsung LED s24sa300 and 1X19IN SAMSUNG ... Logisys red/blue led! 
PowerCase
thermaltake 750w Z9 plus with some fan mods! 
  hide details  
Reply
 
A955 Phenomator
(16 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2700k @4.8ghz g1 sniper3 msi 660ti 3gb 32 gb mushkind silverline 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
intel 180gb ssd ocz 120gb solid3 ocz 120gb vertex plus ocz 120gb vertex plus 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
ocz 120gb vertex plus seagate 3tb seagate 3tb lg bur-ay 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
noctuca d-14 windows 8 pro samsung 23in led samung 19in lcd w 
PowerCase
ocz-b 1000w shinobi xl black 
CPUMotherboardRAMRAM
amd phenom2 955be 4.26ghz stable gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H rev 2.1 CORSAIR XMS CORSAIR XMS 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
OCZ solid3 SEAGATE Barracuda 7200.12  SEAGATE Barracuda 7200.12  DVD-RW 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
mugen 2 WIN7 ULTIMATE 64BIT 1x24in Samsung LED s24sa300 and 1X19IN SAMSUNG ... Logisys red/blue led! 
PowerCase
thermaltake 750w Z9 plus with some fan mods! 
  hide details  
Reply
post #60 of 73
Let's get angry because people are seeing the regurgitation that is the CoD franchise for what it is.

Does he really expect his game to not be compared to its direct competition, who is actually making strides in furthering the genre?

The only reason he's falling into this defensive, "feel sorry for me" position is because he feels threatened. If anyone has been doing most of the smack talking lately, it has been the CoD camp. They just can't stand the fact that it's seeming more and more likely their next dry heave isn't going to be the best selling title this year.

What is their next game's touted feature? Oh, that's right, 60 FPS. rolleyes.gif
Edited by Kaldari - 7/22/11 at 3:58pm
Bueller
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3770K 4.7Ghz @ 1.36v Asus Sabertooth Z77 Gigabyte Windforce 780 Ti 3GB 16GB Corsair Vengeance 1866 9-10-9-27 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
256GB Samsung 840 Pro + RAID1 2TB 7200 Hitachis LG 6X Blu-ray Burner Corsair H100i Windows 7 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus VG236HE XArmor U9BL-S Enermax Galaxy Evo 1250W Corsair 600T 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G500 SteelSeries 5L O2DAC -> Corsair SP2500 (or O2 amp and Beyerdyn... 
  hide details  
Reply
Bueller
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3770K 4.7Ghz @ 1.36v Asus Sabertooth Z77 Gigabyte Windforce 780 Ti 3GB 16GB Corsair Vengeance 1866 9-10-9-27 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
256GB Samsung 840 Pro + RAID1 2TB 7200 Hitachis LG 6X Blu-ray Burner Corsair H100i Windows 7 x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus VG236HE XArmor U9BL-S Enermax Galaxy Evo 1250W Corsair 600T 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G500 SteelSeries 5L O2DAC -> Corsair SP2500 (or O2 amp and Beyerdyn... 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Video Games - General
Overclock.net › Forums › Video Games › Video Games - General › [MaximumPC] Carmack Rages Over Devs' “Snooty Attitude” Toward Call of Duty