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pick phantom its better and

to KingAroan...

i want to tell u 2 things...
1) yes games as themselves wont use ht unless they r coded to take advantage of more than 4 cores(remember windows and programs treat ht as separate core)...

2) while using multiple gpu u need much more power from cpu...so for now i5 2500k with 4 threads is sufficient for any 2 cards...
but after some time lets take an instant that in which a game uses 75%+ cpu and now imagine running 2 cards in such a system...then abviously the i5 2500k would bottlenenck the 2 graphic cards.....
now if u have the same cpu but with extra threads like the i7 2600k then it would not bottleneck the game like the i5...as the game will have extra threads at its disposal to utilize for feeding information to the 2 gpu's...

this was my point...get it now???
Edited by ghost_z - 7/24/11 at 1:59am
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Since I'm set on getting the phantom now What are some fans that I should get to replace the stock fans.
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Yea I guess ill stay with the nzxt phantom unless someone else suggests another case. I just wish they made a black with red trim version so it would match my parts since they are all black except my ram .
i gave u the link for the phantom with black base and red trim in my last post.....
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I honestly can't find it...
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Just for a bit of a second opinion type of thing/ just take my sig rig, downgrade to a 2500k, cut out one 580, the SSD, and go for lower speed RAM. Unless you're buying a small SSD and plan on using onboard graphics P67 boards vs Z68 boards really don't matter, if you find identical series models for the same price then go for z68, but if going p67 can save you some cash then I would do it for a gaming build.

Just gonna give a list with general prices so you can have a good perspective on it.

- i5 2500k ~$180-220
- Decent P67/Z68 board ~$200 +or- 40
- GTX 580 ~$500, but definitely can be found for less.
- Phantom or any other midrange case ~120 +or-20
- Any quality PSU 750w is fine for one 580, 850 should handle two with a decent amount of headroom. (i.e. Corsair, Seasonic X-series, etc.) ~$150-200
- 2x4GB kit of decent speed RAM (i.e. G.Skill, Kingston, Corsair 1600MHz and up) 8 gigs is more than you need, but with DDR3 prices so low and the possibility of needing it make it a decent purchase. ~$80
- Any decent Cooler, be it air, faux-water, etc. Think Archon, Silver Arrow, D14, Kuhler 920/620, H50/60/70/80, CM 212+, etc. ~$30-100
- Spinpoint F3 1TB drives are one of the best, if not the best for the money 7200 RPM 1TB drives. I have one, I love it. ~$60

That comes to 1290 to 1480 + or - 60, maybe less if you can find a 580 for cheap. I bought everything new for mine because I'm paranoid like that, but a lot of manufacturers go by serial number so the warranties are "transferable."

- DVD drives can be had for 20, and if you need a monitor ~200 will buy you a decent 24 inch. I have a 22inch and it's plenty for me, but it probably angers people that I'm running a grand worth of cards at 1080p with an overkill PSU.

If you need a monitor and drive it comes to 1510-1700 + or - 60, and that's buying everything BRAND NEW.

I probably missed something and look like an idiot, will edit if I did.
Edited by Najentus - 7/24/11 at 5:06am
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Originally Posted by tyler31763 View Post
I honestly can't find it...
sorry must have missed it while editing

sorry its not exactly red with black base but its black base with orangish trim...here these r the 2 i like...

orangish trim with black base
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811146073

white base with red/black trim
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811146074
kinda like mirror's edge themed....
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Originally Posted by Najentus View Post
Just for a bit of a second opinion type of thing/ just take my sig rig, downgrade to a 2500k, cut out one 580, the SSD, and go for lower speed RAM. Unless you're buying a small SSD and plan on using onboard graphics P67 boards vs Z68 boards really don't matter, if you find identical series models for the same price then go for z68, but if going p67 can save you some cash then I would do it for a gaming build.

Just gonna give a list with general prices so you can have a good perspective on it.

- i5 2500k ~$180-220
- Decent P67/Z68 board ~$200 +or- 40
- GTX 580 ~$500, but definitely can be found for less.
- Phantom or any other midrange case ~120 +or-20
- Any quality PSU 750w is fine for one 580, 850 should handle two with a decent amount of headroom. (i.e. Corsair, Seasonic X-series, etc.) ~$150-200
- 2x4GB kit of decent speed RAM (i.e. G.Skill, Kingston, Corsair 1600MHz and up) 8 gigs is more than you need, but with DDR3 prices so low and the possibility of needing it make it a decent purchase. ~$80
- Any decent Cooler, be it air, faux-water, etc. Think Archon, Silver Arrow, D14, Kuhler 920/620, H50/60/70/80, CM 212+, etc. ~$30-100
- Spinpoint F3 1TB drives are one of the best, if not the best for the money 7200 RPM 1TB drives. I have one, I love it. ~$60

That comes to 1290 to 1480 + or - 60, maybe less if you can find a 580 for cheap. I bought everything new for mine because I'm paranoid like that, but a lot of manufacturers go by serial number so the warranties are "transferable."

- DVD drives can be had for 20, and if you need a monitor ~200 will buy you a decent 24 inch. I have a 22inch and it's plenty for me, but it probably angers people that I'm running a grand worth of cards at 1080p with an overkill PSU.

If you need a monitor and drive it comes to 1510-1700 + or - 60, and that's buying everything BRAND NEW.

I probably missed something and look like an idiot, will edit if I did.
That would be a downgrade at this point i have 2 6950's that will destroy anything a single 580 puts out also it seems that you haven't completely looked through this thread I am not using the open box mobo that I have on the front page I will edit that immediately.

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Originally Posted by ghost_z View Post
sorry must have missed it while editing

sorry its not exactly red with black base but its black base with orangish trim...here these r the 2 i like...

orangish trim with black base
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811146073

white base with red/black trim
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811146074
kinda like mirror's edge themed....
I saw both of those before but I'm still stuck on which to choose I think I may go with the white/red version.
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That would be a downgrade at this point i have 2 6950's that will destroy anything a single 580 puts out also it seems that you haven't completely looked through this thread I am not using the open box mobo that I have on the front page I will edit that immediately.
Oh I knew I forgot to say something. I meant to explain why I chose a 580, lol. When it comes to future upgrades, it is much more economically feasible over time to add a second. But, if a second card does not fill the need, it is much easier to sell a generation's top end card than it is to sell two of a card that performs worse.

Take for example the market currently flooded with $100 460s. At the time buying two sounded good, but now when they're upgrading it's a pain to sell/ they can't add another because of bad scaling/not enough PCI slots/doesn't add enough performance, etc.

Also, I wasn't trying to relate to the open box mobo, I was just saying that my list used prices of brand new components.

I'm not trying to dissuade you from buying what you want, because in the end it's your computer and you can do what you want with it, I was just offering a solution that would be theoretically slightly more cost-effective (like this hobby could be cost-effective) in the future.

Either way, I'm sure you'll have fun building and playing games on it.
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post #49 of 51
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Oh I knew I forgot to say something. I meant to explain why I chose a 580, lol. When it comes to future upgrades, it is much more economically feasible over time to add a second. But, if a second card does not fill the need, it is much easier to sell a generation's top end card than it is to sell two of a card that performs worse.

Take for example the market currently flooded with $100 460s. At the time buying two sounded good, but now when they're upgrading it's a pain to sell/ they can't add another because of bad scaling/not enough PCI slots/doesn't add enough performance, etc.

Also, I wasn't trying to relate to the open box mobo, I was just saying that my list used prices of brand new components.

I'm not trying to dissuade you from buying what you want, because in the end it's your computer and you can do what you want with it, I was just offering a solution that would be theoretically slightly more cost-effective (like this hobby could be cost-effective) in the future.

Either way, I'm sure you'll have fun building and playing games on it.
O I didnt even think of doing sli 580's down the road but for now I think I'm going to stick with my 6950's. Also its so true this hobby isn't cost effective I started this build at $1100 now its at $1600
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Originally Posted by ghost_z View Post
pick phantom its better and

to KingAroan...

i want to tell u 2 things...
1) yes games as themselves wont use ht unless they r coded to take advantage of more than 4 cores(remember windows and programs treat ht as separate core)...

2) while using multiple gpu u need much more power from cpu...so for now i5 2500k with 4 threads is sufficient for any 2 cards...
but after some time lets take an instant that in which a game uses 75%+ cpu and now imagine running 2 cards in such a system...then abviously the i5 2500k would bottlenenck the 2 graphic cards.....
now if u have the same cpu but with extra threads like the i7 2600k then it would not bottleneck the game like the i5...as the game will have extra threads at its disposal to utilize for feeding information to the 2 gpu's...

this was my point...get it now???
Yes I do thanks for explaining

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