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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14204717

This is a better article.

Hey, even the "dumbest" questions need to be answered. If scientists did not ask and answer these questions, people would still think heavier objects fall faster and the universe revolved around the Earth.

A lot of the common sense we take for granted now was not common sense back then.
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Shocking! This news will change our lives as we know it....
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Originally Posted by tr8rjohnk View Post
This is what escapes everyone. Do you know what it cost for a suit of plate back then? Horseback and lance or pole-arm are the usual suspects when wearing plate. Foot soldiers could hope for ringmail or chainmail at best and guess what, that stuff was heavy too.

EDIT: In the article's defense, they do state that they simply wanted to apply scientific method to a known fact. They didn't claim any epiphany.
Actually the majority of English Knights fought on foot during the Hundred Years War, while the majority of French Knights fought on horseback, and were reputed some of the best of Western Europe, but the English had a more devastating weapon, the English longbow, even though close combats usually ended up in favor of the French, the English could win some battles with archers only, the French used Genoese crossbowmen mainly, and while their crossbow pierced armors more easily it was a LOT slower.

At the Battle of Agincourt the great majority of French Knights were dismounted and had to rush to the English line and got slaughtered because they were just too damn tired when they finally reached the line by the running and all the non-letal arrows they received on their armors.
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Obvious is obvious. Armored troops are of course heavier and cumbersome in combat but that is offset by their superior defense and also shock value. A armor knight charging on a horse is like a small car coming at you.
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they obviously didn't have dwarven armor smiths or even mithral back then. noobs
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Originally Posted by metroid112 View Post
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And while it may seem silly to "confirm" that knowledge 600 years later - "plate armor is heavy" isn't exactly the most revolutionary breakthrough ever - this is the first time that anyone's ever gone at it scientifically.
read, its may be a bit stupid, but this sums up all


This thread is a disgrace. The perfect sum of the superficial tl;dr generation. Out of the dozens of users commenting, only a select few actually read the article.

And you claim you read it, but obviously didn't understand it, given that you took that quote out of the context and left out the part where they say modern soldiers carry equivalent weight in their backpacks, but the results are different.
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post #67 of 93
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Originally Posted by Riou View Post
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14204717

This is a better article.

Hey, even the "dumbest" questions need to be answered. If scientists did not ask and answer these questions, people would still think heavier objects fall faster and the universe revolved around the Earth.

A lot of the common sense we take for granted now was not common sense back then.

Finally someone who makes a positive contribution to the discussion! Thanks for the article! Rep+
 
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Lol should probly be noted atleast they lived long enugh to get tired i wonder why we waste money on common sence stuff. And i wonder if they let the men wear the armor for weeks or months to build up their mucles cause you know in those times they would train in it to build up muscles so you could go longer befor getting tired.
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post #69 of 93
I never would have guessed wearing plate armor would decrease mobility and tire people out more.

If anything I thought it was like MJOLNIR armor and it actually had it's own power source and augmented your every move in order to boost speed, power and efficiency.
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I never would have guessed wearing plate armor would decrease mobility and tire people out more.

If anything I thought it was like MJOLNIR armor and it actually had it's own power source and augmented your every move in order to boost speed, power and efficiency.

Yes, but by how much ?

That is like saying "It's hot outside.", but then not knowing what temperature really is, and therefore not having reference points for stuff like ideal temperatures for certain agricultures, organisms growth, etc.


The whole purpose of the study was to scientifically quantify things, not only to better understand events (famous battles, as both the article in the OT and the one from the BBC Riou mentioned)) of the past, but also, by having quantifiable numbers, you can determine how much weight you can carry on your legs before you get tired, etc... there are lots of uses for the data they collected from the experience.
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