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This is great information.
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Actually the majority of English Knights fought on foot during the Hundred Years War, while the majority of French Knights fought on horseback, and were reputed some of the best of Western Europe, but the English had a more devastating weapon, the English longbow, even though close combats usually ended up in favor of the French, the English could win some battles with archers only, the French used Genoese crossbowmen mainly, and while their crossbow pierced armors more easily it was a LOT slower.

At the Battle of Agincourt the great majority of French Knights were dismounted and had to rush to the English line and got slaughtered because they were just too damn tired when they finally reached the line by the running and all the non-letal arrows they received on their armors.
Info is appreciated. Keep in mind that most of these "ground troops" (specific battles aside) were outfitted in field plate not the tournament or full type they (I assume) used in the study. Good points nonetheless and the English longbow was a killer. BTW, I don't recall reading of any battles where knights armored in full plate marched to combat. They always had horses to get them to their objective (AFAIK).
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You guys are forgetting how plate was worn. While some of you are saying plate doesn't wear that much your forgetting the mail/link and wool undergarments. The chain that was worn under a lot of plate weighed 60-80 lbs alone (that's just a top/shirt estimate and depends if it's double/triple/quad mail). Total weight of armor could easily be 150+ lbs. Yes they could maneuver in it however it was extremely tiring all day. Go to a renaissance festival and ask them how much their total outfit weighs.

I say this because you have to wear the under garments. Not for traditional purposes but for practical purposes. The plate could pinch/cut your skin (common) as well as cause extreme chaffing.
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And I found out Ice turns into water! I didn't know plate armor was heavy! :0 /sarcasm.
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Info is appreciated. Keep in mind that most of these "ground troops" (specific battles aside) were outfitted in field plate not the tournament or full type they (I assume) used in the study. Good points nonetheless and the English longbow was a killer. BTW, I don't recall reading of any battles where knights armored in full plate marched to combat. They always had horses to get them to their objective (AFAIK).
A lot of the 15th century 100 Years War battles had nobles fighting on foot in full plate, the plates maybe were lighter than those fighting on horseback because I know those guys couldn't get up if they were knocked from their horses. I know for sure that Knights in full plate and on foot were on the first line (the foreign nobles allied with Brittany against France, including the Duke of Orleans who was to become the next king of France ) at the Battle of Saint-Aubin-du-Cormier (1488).

I know Medieval II Total War is far from being realistic, but you can play the Battle of Agincourt and if you pick the English you can see that you're outnumbered 3:1 but you just have to stay static and see the huge masses of heavy knights rushing onto your lines only to have half their numbers killed by your archers before they reach your infantry lines and being so tired and demoralised that they flee after a bit of close combat.
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I expected to see the source as something like The Onion but The Escapist works too.
     
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A lot of the 15th century 100 Years War battles had nobles fighting on foot in full plate, the plates maybe were lighter than those fighting on horseback because I know those guys couldn't get up if they were knocked from their horses. I know for sure that Knights in full plate and on foot were on the first line (the foreign nobles allied with Brittany against France, including the Duke of Orleans who was to become the next king of France ) at the Battle of Saint-Aubin-du-Cormier (1488).

I know Medieval II Total War is far from being realistic, but you can play the Battle of Agincourt and if you pick the English you can see that you're outnumbered 3:1 but you just have to stay static and see the huge masses of heavy knights rushing onto your lines only to have half their numbers killed by your archers before they reach your infantry lines and being so tired and demoralised that they flee after a bit of close combat.
Your 15th Century knowledge is encyclopedic.
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Your 15th Century knowledge is encyclopedic.
Lol thanks, but I mainly know about my country at the time (Brittany was independent until it was annexed by France in 1532) and about the Hundred Years War because it took place in Brittany too, with one half siding with the English and the other with the French

Ironically, the English sponsored side won but the new Duke had to flee to England because the people thought he liked the English too much. He returned a few years later and his son allied with the French, greatly helping them to win the war, but they thanked us by trying to invade us multiple times, until they finally beat us at Saint-Aubin-du-Cormier.
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