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You just hatin' cause we be stylin' on you
"You just hatin'" <---- Reallly with the E-slang. Doesn't help *yo* argument my friend.

Regardless. Linux fans are fans so keep on keeping on.
"Enemies of my enemy are my friends"
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Regardless. Linux fans are fans so keep on keeping on.
Gladly
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Seriously, one of the main things in the way of Linux being mainstream is the community division. Geeks, nerds, dweebs and dorks alike need to get off their high horse and learn that a "non-complicated" operating system is OK.
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I still dont get why someone would want to use linux instead of windows.. I mean, windows just works.. Its easier. And you can play games..

I only use linux on my netbook.. thats where it belongs.
Sounds like you've been smoking the windows pipe for too long. http://www.overclock.net/operating-s...challenge.html
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Originally Posted by Liranan View Post
Do we finally get universality among all Linux distro's, so more people and especially gaming companies can take it seriously, without having to recompile for every damned distro?

I do love Mint 11 but it's nowhere near as functional as Windows. Speaking of which, I need to reinstall it on my USB drive and allocate more persistent space to it.
If they just make it for Ubuntu/Debian based distros, then the rest of the users could work it out easily.

And how is it less functional than Windows?

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Originally Posted by SectorNine50 View Post
Have they fixed full screen flash playback yet?

Seriously, that's my only issue with running Linux on my notebook at this point.
What's the notebook specs? If it's an Atom, there's issues that Linux can't fix, especially if it's 720p.

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Maybe I'll give this a shot. All of my attempts to DL Linux(Mint, Ubuntu) have failed. I used that automatic DL/mount/easy installer and it BSOD my computer.
You never use Wubi, it's horrible and slow.

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Originally Posted by lapengu View Post
I still dont get why someone would want to use linux instead of windows.. I mean, windows just works.. Its easier. And you can play games..

I only use linux on my netbook.. thats where it belongs.
Windows may "just work", but Linux just works better if you run Mint, it takes less time to set up a Mint 11 install than Windows for me simply because I just have to download all the applications from the Software Center rather than going to about 13 different sites to download it.

And easier? Hardly, see above for one, plus the Installer is a lot faster/easier (Even my Grandma managed it) plus for quite a few games, there's either a Linux version (eg. minecraft) or it works fine in wine. (Case in point, I was playing Sins of a Solar Empire before on my laptop and I'm on Arch Linux x64.)

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Originally Posted by TFL Replica View Post
Again people are confusing a Kernel with an operating system.
I figure let them do that, its easier to call it all "Linux" rather than "Ubuntu", "Mint", "Arch", etc.

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Originally Posted by SectorNine50 View Post
The kernel is the core of the operating system. Without it, it wouldn't be able to interface with any of the hardware.

So no one confused the kernel with the operating system, I just assumed that the reason there were flash issues was due to a lack of some sort of optimization for the CPU.
Hardly, Linux uses CPUs more efficiently than Windows (Eg. F@H SMP scores tend to go up in Linux, even in a VM) so it's an adobe problem, I guess.

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Don't be so smug. The kernel's ability to operate the CPU efficiently is huge in terms of application and OS performance on top of it. Different programs can use different instructions sets as well.

It's a 1.2Ghz dual core notebook, the difference between some sort of optimization or not would be very obvious in Flash due it's CPU use.

It's been stated before that it potentially might not be the Kernel, it could simply be that Flash isn't as streamlined on Linux. However, you would think that even if Flash weren't perfect, you'd be able to at least go full screen at 320 on a 1.2Ghz dual core without stuttering.

Realistically probably has to do with the distributions I was trying and my IGP.
Except most people tend to know Linux uses most hardware more efficient, hence why some games actually run better in wine than in Windows. (WoW is a great example, Sins of a Solar Empire is another)

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Originally Posted by Rookie1337 View Post
Oh the horrors of the down time! LOL. For practical use Linux still has some way to go but it really has come to a point where a person doesn't need to spend too much time to adjust and leave windows/OSX behind. I think if I was a console gamer I wouldn't have a need for windows.
The only thing that keeps a Windows install on anything I own is BF3 and Skyrims unknown wine status, as well as the lack of Windows Live Group support in WLM clones.

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Originally Posted by Liranan View Post
NO it doesn't, there's too much fragmentation and still not enough support from hardware manufacturers for it to be an alternative to Windows. No matter how much Linux enthusiasts go on about Linux it is useless for the average user. While Ubuntu and some others have made it easier with their software centre doesn't mean it's as easy to use as Windows.

I really like Mint, it's light, fast and does everything out the box but even I wouldn't consider it that much of a replacement for Windows. Hopefully one day we will get there, but first we need that mess called OpenGL sorted or get people to use OpenCL, if that's a viable replacement.
The fragmentation means nothing to the "average user", they get Mint or Ubuntu and use it, every actual average user (Not the OCNer who thinks that the average user knows far more about this kind of stuff than they usually really do) I've gotten to try Linux Mint has loved it compared to Windows, the software center is a massive step up from the "Google and Pray" approach Windows has.

That said, Linux isn't for everyone, some of the people I got to try it preferred Windows, even after me making them try Linux for a month to let it actually set in.

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Originally Posted by Raven Dizzle View Post
This my friends is the attitude that is causing Linux not to hit the big mainstream. "It has to be geek only!!!". No, it doesn't. Mint isn't for noobs, mint is for everyday users. Elitists these days...
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Arbitrary version numbers for everyone!
YAY! lets hope they don't pull a google chrome/mozilla firefox numbering scheme...we could have Linux kernel v 12.0.0 by the end of the year

as for the majority of this thread...wow...
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YAY! lets hope they don't pull a google chrome/mozilla firefox numbering scheme...we could have Linux kernel v 12.0.0 by the end of the year

as for the majority of this thread...wow...
You do realize that this regards Linus Torvalds, one of the most pragmatic people on the planet?
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While Ubuntu and some others have made it easier with their software centre doesn't mean it's as easy to use as Windows.
Windows is easy to use? Then why am I always playing IT support for our sales team?

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Geeks, nerds, dweebs and dorks alike need to get off their high horse and learn that a "non-complicated" operating system is OK.
What would be an example of an uncomplicated operating system?
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NO it doesn't, there's too much fragmentation and still not enough support from hardware manufacturers for it to be an alternative to Windows. No matter how much Linux enthusiasts go on about Linux it is useless for the average user. While Ubuntu and some others have made it easier with their software centre doesn't mean it's as easy to use as Windows.

I really like Mint, it's light, fast and does everything out the box but even I wouldn't consider it that much of a replacement for Windows. Hopefully one day we will get there, but first we need that mess called OpenGL sorted or get people to use OpenCL, if that's a viable replacement.
Do you actually mean disk frag? Because EXT4 helps keep files contiguous as they're written, where NTFS just puts the file whereever leaving degrag to fix it.

OpenGL mess???
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Haha, if that were true it would really be a good laugh.

What are being identified as Linux servers running Bing are really Bing's content delivery network, which is outsourced to Akamai. So to say that MS uses Linux is a bit of a stretch.
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