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The one thing I've always hated about OCN in regards to the CoD franchise is how hyperbolic people are in using CoD to describe any game that doesn't meet their approval.

Crysis 2 isn't the sandbox that Crysis 1 was so now Crysis 2 has CoD-like corridor linearity? Basically, if it's not plasma hot its deep space cold.



The other issue I have in regards to CoD is how people will bash any game that has SIMILAR features to CoD without realizing that MANY of the best games of PC history share similar features with CoD as well. Is Activision cashing in too much on CoD? Yes. Is CoD VERY stale at this point? Yes. Would we ALL like CoD to be more innovative instead of reskinning the same game? Yes. But don't pretend that GOAT games like Half-Life 2 didn't have the same linearity.
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The one thing I've always hated about OCN in regards to the CoD franchise is how hyperbolic people are in using CoD to describe any game that doesn't meet their approval.

Crysis 2 isn't the sandbox that Crysis 1 was so now Crysis 2 has CoD-like corridor linearity? Basically, if it's not plasma hot its deep space cold.



The other issue I have in regards to CoD is how people will bash any game that has SIMILAR features to CoD without realizing that MANY of the best games of PC history share similar features with CoD as well. Is Activision cashing in too much on CoD? Yes. Is CoD VERY stale at this point? Yes. Would we ALL like CoD to be more innovative instead of reskinning the same game? Yes. But don't pretend that GOAT games like Half-Life 2 didn't have the same linearity.
Valve doesn't release a game every year with the same engine and pretty much same graphics and charge 59.99 for it.
We shouldn't just bend over and accept it because it sells.
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Is the engine really that bad?

It’s obvious that the engine is improved between games, all you have to do is play cod4 then mw2, if you can’t see the difference then the problem is with you . . .

Isn’t it true that MW2 supports DX10 whereas Cod4 is DX9? If so, that shows improvement . . . .

It’s obviously not the same 12 year old engine . . . . (Or if it is, it was one hell of an engine)
the creators of COD and the heads have even said that it is the same engine from MW1......its all over the place. its a reskin...reskinning is putting a fancy cover on old, out dated engine to milk people for more money and get them "thinking" that its a great, new fancy amazing game when in reality its all just the same old....enjoy the 60 dollars spent on a "new" game.....fools
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Valve doesn't release a game every year with the same engine and pretty much same graphics and charge 59.99 for it.
We shouldn't just bend over and accept it because it sells.
Valve also doesnt make a game based around a 360/PS3 fan base and tell everyone that its "new and amazing and the greatest game ever" but yet comparing screen shots to the original in looks the same.....5 years later....

Valve doesnt change their engine every year, but the games are by no means the same game....

COD MW1 looks and plays just like Black OPS...before you flame me yes i have played both, and i really enjoyed MW1 a lot actually

Half Life 1 does not look like Half Life 2....and doesnt play like it at all....I will agree that Valve does need a new engine, it would be nice to see what they could come up with, but i can look at my steam account and the games that i have from Valve arent at all the same looking, same "storyline" or for that matter, same reskinned game......Hlaf Life 2, Counter Strike Source, LFD1 and LFD2 are the same engine yes....but completely different games.....
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In all honesty, I only ever played COD games online because there were no new Battlefield games. (I have however, played every single COD game ever released, since the once inspiring WWII games).

I bought MW2 and a 360 because COD4 was supposed to be awesome online.

For me, it was new. I liked it.

After a while, I got bored and wanted more depth than just "shoot the guy with the red text above his head".

Then I bought Black Ops, expecting some kind of substantial innovation in the next iteration of the game.

Nope, not at all. They basically re-skinned MW2 and gave it a different storyline.

I've decided that Black Ops will be the last time I buy a COD game before it is reduced in price.

Fool me once, okay, fool me twice.........

I dont want to pay full price for re-skins of the same engine and shant be doing so.

I have my next gen Battlefield games now. COD can suck a large one till they decide to push the genre as opposed to simply lining their pockets.

THIS i highly agree. I'm done with Call of Duty. I don't mind playing SP but i'm not touching the game until they make it cheaper. I'm more keen focused on BF3 ALL the Way!
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Valve doesn't release a game every year with the same engine and pretty much same graphics and charge 59.99 for it.
They released Half-life 2, Episode 1 and Episode 2 within a few years of each other and it was virtually the same engine and graphics.

They released L4D and L4D2 within a year or so of each other with virtually the same engine and graphics.

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We shouldn't just bend over and accept it because it sells.
Straw Man. When did i ever suggest that you should 'bend over and accept it because it sells'?

You don't like it? Don't buy it. Either way I don't care b/c I have yet to buy a single CoD EVER.

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Valve also doesnt make a game based around a 360/PS3 fan base and tell everyone that its "new and amazing and the greatest game ever" but yet comparing screen shots to the original in looks the same.....5 years later....
1. Making games for the 360/ps3 community isn't bad. Quit being a fanboy
2. Every company engages in marketing. You act like Activision should come out and talk about how crappy their game is or something.

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Valve doesnt change their engine every year, but the games are by no means the same game....
See above

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COD MW1 looks and plays just like Black OPS...before you flame me yes i have played both, and i really enjoyed MW1 a lot actually

Half Life 1 does not look like Half Life 2....and doesnt play like it at all....I will agree that Valve does need a new engine, it would be nice to see what they could come up with, but i can look at my steam account and the games that i have from Valve arent at all the same looking, same "storyline" or for that matter, same reskinned game......Hlaf Life 2, Counter Strike Source, LFD1 and LFD2 are the same engine yes....but completely different games.....
Half Life 1 was also made some 7 years before Half-Life 2. The entire script of Half-Life is that there IS no script. You make it up as you go along. We know almost virtually nothing about any of the main antagonists or their goals and this is after +30 hrs of gameplay. Who is the G-Man? What is his purpose? What is the Combine's purpose? We can speculate but its amazing that people praise Half-Life for such a great story when there's so little actual story there. 14 yrs later we know exactly as much about the plot as we did at the start.

L4D1 and L4D2 are the same game with 4 reskinned main characters. Lol @ you for not seeing that.

PS: some on here call me a massive valve fanboy but I'm objective enough to call out their faults.
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They released Half-life 2, Episode 1 and Episode 2 within a few years of each other and it was virtually the same engine and graphics.

They released L4D and L4D2 within a year or so of each other with virtually the same engine and graphics.



Straw Man. When did i ever suggest that you should 'bend over and accept it because it sells'?

You don't like it? Don't buy it. Either way I don't care b/c I have yet to buy a single CoD EVER.



1. Making games for the 360/ps3 community isn't bad. Quit being a fanboy
2. Every company engages in marketing. You act like Activision should come out and talk about how crappy their game is or something.



See above



Half Life 1 was also made some 7 years before Half-Life 2. The entire script of Half-Life is that there IS no script. You make it up as you go along. We know almost virtually nothing about any of the main antagonists or their goals and this is after +30 hrs of gameplay. Who is the G-Man? What is his purpose? What is the Combine's purpose? We can speculate but its amazing that people praise Half-Life for such a great story when there's so little actual story there. 14 yrs later we know exactly as much about the plot as we did at the start.

L4D1 and L4D2 are the same game with 4 reskinned main characters. Lol @ you for not seeing that.

PS: some on here call me a massive valve fanboy but I'm objective enough to call out their faults.

and here we go......making games for the 360/ps3 arent a bad thing, but when entire groups of gamers try to defend games like COD in that they are "oh so amazing and great" because they cant see their out dated hardware cant push beyond what its currently at. Ill bring to mind the fact that the consoles are only able to play BF3 at 30 frames per second while PC's are at 60. Now yes Pc's are much more advanced in the graphics stand point but when companies dont push for new hardware rather keep milking the outdated graphics of their old then the PC gaming community falls behind.please dont call me a fanboy just becuase your butthurt over the fact i called out the out dated garbage that is the 360/ps3. I dont think they should talk about how crappy their game engine is...the screen shots do that for them what they should do is stop comparing their games to the new engines like BF3....Frostbite 2 is miles ahead of the COD 5+ year outdated engine....so please, grow up and dont flame me when i just point out COD's fail.


So you called me out on LFD....ok so i said the wrong thing. Yes LFD1 and LFD2 are pretty much the same thing, excluding the characters, levels and weapons so yes...Valve pulled a COD there but i was just using LFD as a comparison with Half Life 2 and Counter Strike Source.

You talk about story in Half Life 2? sure its kind of complicated and really keeps you thinking but you cant compare COD's storyline in any of their games to a Half Life story....COD has the most bland and boring story mode i have ever seen in an FPS game. Yes it is a personal opinion but even Doom had a better storymode then any of the COD games since COD2 (when it was actually still good)

Half Life Episode 1 and Episode 2 are a series of games......its a story and since Valve still pushes their Source engine it will look the same....but its miles better then anything Activision has cooked up when it comes to story mode....
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and here we go......making games for the 360/ps3 arent a bad thing, but when entire groups of gamers try to defend games like COD in that they are "oh so amazing and great" because they cant see their out dated hardware cant push beyond what its currently at.
So you're basically getting trolled b/c in an effort to combat the trolls, you have been brought down to their level. They use hyperbole so you respond in kind.

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Ill bring to mind the fact that the consoles are only able to play BF3 at 30 frames per second while PC's are at 60. Now yes Pc's are much more advanced in the graphics stand point but when companies dont push for new hardware rather keep milking the outdated graphics of their old then the PC gaming community falls behind.
I care about gameplay, not graphics. Go talk that up with one of the PC elitists or tech nerds around here. That's their realm, talking about how one game is better than another b/c of the Dx version or some other garbage. I also could care less which console or PC appears more advanced. Only idiots really care about that.

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please dont call me a fanboy just becuase your butthurt over the fact i called out the out dated garbage that is the 360/ps3.
I didn't call you a fanboy b/c i was butthurt. I'm a grown a-- man, I could care less. I play games to have fun, not to count pixels and frames per second. Besides, how exactly do i fall into your definition of a console fanboy when I rock better PC hardware than you do? I have a Ps3 that I got as a baby shower gift and even then I only use it for 3 things: Netflix, Blu-rays and Gamefly. I've had it for 3 yrs and I own a whopping 2 Ps3 games: Assassins Creed 2 & Fight Night Round 3. Meanwhile I have 84 games tied to my Steam profile.

I called you a fanboy because that's how you're conducting yourself in that manner. Your entire response to me indicates you have an emotional stake in proving which platform is superior.

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I dont think they should talk about how crappy their game engine is...the screen shots do that for them what they should do is stop comparing their games to the new engines like BF3....Frostbite 2 is miles ahead of the COD 5+ year outdated engine....so please, grow up and dont flame me when i just point out COD's fail.
In order to use the phrase 'grow up' in a disparaging way, I had to have done something childish. I neither flamed you, nor acted like a kid.


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So you called me out on LFD....ok so i said the wrong thing. Yes LFD1 and LFD2 are pretty much the same thing, excluding the characters, levels and weapons so yes...Valve pulled a COD there but i was just using LFD as a comparison with Half Life 2 and Counter Strike Source.
But when the CoD series changes the characters, levels and weapons its just a reskin. Call a reskin a reskin. They only did it for 1 game as opposed to 40 for the CoD series but still, i'm just making a point here.

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You talk about story in Half Life 2? sure its kind of complicated and really keeps you thinking but you cant compare COD's storyline in any of their games to a Half Life story....COD has the most bland and boring story mode i have ever seen in an FPS game. Yes it is a personal opinion but even Doom had a better storymode then any of the COD games since COD2 (when it was actually still good)

Half Life Episode 1 and Episode 2 are a series of games......its a story and since Valve still pushes their Source engine it will look the same....but its miles better then anything Activision has cooked up when it comes to story mode....
You're missing the point.
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