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The problem discovered by Miller is that modern laptops use some very smart batteries, and Apple was being a bit lax. There are controller chips that monitor the battery state and tell it when to stop charging, when to turn off, and so on. Apple ships these chips with their passwords set to the default. So if an attacker gains access to this part of the system, they can ruin the computer at will. The battery could even be sabotaged to explode. Malware could also be left on the chip to infect the computer over and over again.
So if Apple was "being a bit lax" I really wonder what other companies also neglected to change the passwords for the controller chip? Dell? HP? Acer? I really wonder if they bothered as well?

I highly doubt that this issue is just with Apple products. It also sounds like the chance of the battery blowing up is also slim due to other safeguards. However, bricking the battery sounds very plausible.
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post #52 of 71
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Originally Posted by Liranan View Post
Don't remind them that their OS is the most insecure because Apple don't like fixing four year old bugs, which then allows hackers to hack an Apple OS within minutes. MS are so bad they at least fix bugs and problems but almighty Apple are too good for that. In fact, Apple are so good IOS users are being recommended to get an anti-virus and anti-spyware now.

We have a few Apple products and I hate them all, my wife likes her iPod, even though the battery died after a year and a half (average lifespan).
What are you smoking? I want whatever you're having because trying to claim Micro$oft fixes bugs would require some seriously strong mind altering drugs to believe. No one is recommending iOS users to run anti-virus. You mean Android users are being recommended to install anti-virus... What bugs does Apple have they don't fix? Good luck trying to name one.
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post #54 of 71
Why on earth are they telling him to stop his work? He is doing what THEY SHOULD BE DOING THEMSELVES instead of trying to brush it under the rug.

Apple

The only reason he should really consider is the impending Apple lawsuit.

Also:

Edited by mad0314 - 7/24/11 at 2:12am
    
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I wanna see this guy let all of the batteries die 100% to where they will not take a charge again. Apple loses, no one gets hurt and the internet wins again!

EDIT i woulda blackmailed the **** out of apple.
Edited by wumpus - 7/24/11 at 2:13am
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So which models are affected? Does this also affect other Vendors than Apple?

So if you got a Apple Laptop might want to put some AV/Malware Software.

Edit: I knew he sounded familiar he is a Pwn2Own winner multiple times and only seems to deal with Apple Products.

Edit 2: Don't worry people who own any Apple Laptop Products he is going to be releasing a fix to this:

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At Black Hat he plans to release a tool for Apple users called “Caulkgun” that changes their battery firmware’s passwords to a random string, preventing the default password attack he used.
http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenber...pts-batteries/
Edited by wolf_08 - 7/24/11 at 2:14am
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What are you smoking? I want whatever you're having because trying to claim Micro$oft fixes bugs would require some seriously strong mind altering drugs to believe. No one is recommending iOS users to run anti-virus. You mean Android users are being recommended to install anti-virus... What bugs does Apple have they don't fix? Good luck trying to name one.
Eh, there's a Windows Defender security update at least once a week, sometimes more.

Android users aren't being recommended to install Anti-virus. iPhone users ARE being recommended by big tech sites. Symantec are just trying to hock AV to Android users. That's in Beta, soon it'll be a paid-for product. I've seen AV products on Android since June last year. Same for iOS.
    
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Android users aren't being recommended to install Anti-virus. iPhone users ARE being recommended by big tech sites. I've seen AV products since June last year for iOS.


What ever you're on, I want some of it too.

There's a security bulletin every other week about malware and exploits on Android. The only iOS security bulletin I've seen a couple years ago was people jailbreaking their phones and not changing the default root pass or not disabling ssh.



These dead batteries caused by the exploit don't look like they caught on fire or blew up. Let's be reasonable people. That was a Sony battery flaw fixed years ago.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 7/24/11 at 6:57pm
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That's pretty awesome. Apple will probably jump to get it fixed...unless they act like it's no big deal, and then somehow the instructions to do this are "leaked" across the web for anybody to use.
The scary thing is not the vulnerability, but that they can cause the battery to malfunction in such a dangerous way. You can't patch a critical hardware flaw (with the exception of a full recall, I suppose).
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Edit 2: Don't worry people who own any Apple Laptop Products he is going to be releasing a fix to this:

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At Black Hat he plans to release a tool for Apple users called “Caulkgun” that changes their battery firmware’s passwords to a random string, preventing the default password attack he used.
http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenber...pts-batteries/
And even considering default passwords, the software shouldn't allow dangerous battery hacks. Its bad code regardless of password security practices.
Edited by djk11 - 7/24/11 at 5:02pm
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