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I was recently introduced to the benefits of custom pc's, and I want to give it a go. Firstly, I want to stay close to a $500 spending limit. I already have a 500 PSU (24 pin, 80 plus) in great condition. 2 atx case fans, 2x250gb sata II hdd's ( + 250gb = 750gb actually, but I don't need that much). I also have a (stock) micro atx case and a mid tower atx case, but the micro tower is outdated (2002, designed for a floppy drive) and the mid tower (2005) has a cracked window, some weight, and lots of lights. I'm willing to replace any of the aforementioned parts except for the PSU and HDD's. I've never done this before, so I don't want to make any simple mistakes.

Preferred case:
A mysterious, black/white matte cube/box, mATX, no windows, no lights, simple.


Intended use:

Personal server, programming, linux OS, and hopefully 3D modeling and CADing.

I would appreciate any suggestions for a build.
Edited by i.xvii - 7/22/11 at 10:21pm
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hey, firstly welcome to OCN

how old is the power supply, what brand is it and how much has it been used, i ask because capacitors in supplies tend to degrade/age with use, decrease efficiency and if your supply can't deliver it's rated power system stability might be a bit flakey.

it would be nice to have an idea of which stores you can get parts from, i'm just assuming your in the US, so i'm getting prices from newegg.com;

for your build i would suggest
CPU: Phenom II X4 955 (same as what I've got), $120 off newegg
GPU: for a graphics card on that budget i would say get something like a GTX 560 or 6850 fast cards maybe a little excessive for your use, they are both around $200 off newegg
RAM: you wanna get something like this, 4Gb of DDR3 1600
MainBoard: *needs to be mATX board because of your case preferences something like this will work
Case: you might like this but you might run into some cooling problems there, not much space for ventilation and you can only fit 2 3.5" HDD's and some of this hardware does get pretty hot under load.

combined price is around $507-$527 from newegg; not including shipping

assuming you will be doing relatively heavy modeling, also from experience nvidia has better linux graphics driver support than amd.
Edited by Pavelow - 7/22/11 at 10:39pm
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I recommend highly against the mainboard suggested above. Low end MSI mATX AM3 boards are known for failures with the higher end 125W TDP quad cores and hex cores - and by hex cores, I mean fires/catastrophic blow-ups in the VRM area. That motherboard and that processor don't go together.
An ASUS or Gigabyte mATX with higher quality can be had for a similar price. Note that with an mATX AM3 board and higher TDP processor your options are very limited, as pretty much all are 4+1 phase, and many are uncooled (which I would consider a standard if using with a higher TDP processor & overclocking) though aftermarket cooling can be added.
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I recommend highly against the mainboard suggested above. That motherboard and that processor don't go together.
that did occur to me, i checked the CPU support list for the board and assumed that 4+1 would be okay. do you think this board would be better?
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post #5 of 11
It relates to the overall quality of that particular board; it is known for failures.
However the above suggested board is also still known for failures with higher TDP processors.... Pretty much all of MSI's low end AM2+ and AM3 boards are known for failures. There are better chocies with better quality VRMs that aren't known for failure, for lower prices, and will be fine for the user's needs (I find the 890GX rather redundant and costly for the user will due to needs most certainly never need to use CFX, and due to board layout that isn't very easily possible either).
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Originally Posted by Pavelow View Post
hey, firstly welcome to OCN
Hi, thanks for responding.

Quote:
how old is the power supply, what brand is it and how much has it been used, i ask because capacitors in supplies tend to degrade/age with use, decrease efficiency and if your supply can't deliver it's rated power system stability might be a bit flakey.
Rosewill AP-550x

The original $2000 build sat in someone's closet since '06. The owner gave it to me a year ago because it was never used. It ran great for a few months until the motherboard took a fall while moving ( -> cracked window on the case). It's been sitting in my closet ever since. The PSU does work. I've The PSU does work. I've tested it a few times recently.

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it would be nice to have an idea of which stores you can get parts from, i'm just assuming your in the US, so i'm getting prices from newegg.com;
I live in the Los Angeles, so City of Industry (Fry's and/or Newegg) is within drivable distance and any of stores in/near downtown. If you know of any other stores based in SoCal that I should know about, please let me know. This week I plan on ordering books from Amazon for school which means free shipping.

Quote:
for your build i would suggest
CPU: Phenom II X4 955 (same as what I've got), $120 off newegg
GPU: for a graphics card on that budget i would say get something like a GTX 560 or 6850 fast cards maybe a little excessive for your use, they are both around $200 off newegg
RAM: you wanna get something like this, 4Gb of DDR3 1600
MainBoard: *needs to be mATX board because of your case preferences something like this will work well
Case: you might like this but you might run into some cooling problems there, not much space for ventilation and you can only fit 2 3.5" HDD's and some of this hardware does get pretty hot under load.

combined price is around $507-$527 from newegg; not including shipping
That's just the case I'm looking for.


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assuming you will be doing relatively heavy modeling, also from experience nvidia has better linux graphics driver support than amd.
I do modeling for my amateur side projects. It's not spectacular. But, I do expect to run the server programs in the background while the computer is powered on, so the extra graphics may be overkill. I'll keep the nvidia support in mind.


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I recommend highly against the mainboard suggested above. Low end MSI mATX AM3 boards are known for failures with the higher end 125W TDP quad cores and hex cores - and by hex cores, I mean fires/catastrophic blow-ups in the VRM area. That motherboard and that processor don't go together.
An ASUS or Gigabyte mATX with higher quality can be had for a similar price. Note that with an mATX AM3 board and higher TDP processor your options are very limited, as pretty much all are 4+1 phase, and many are uncooled (which I would consider a standard if using with a higher TDP processor & overclocking) though aftermarket cooling can be added.
I'm willing to add an aftermarket fan cooler.
Edited by i.xvii - 7/22/11 at 11:30pm
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I would build a socket FM1 Build for your needs.
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I would build a socket FM1 Build for your needs.
In general I agree here, but has anyone explored APU Linux support?
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Los Angeles area? Go to the Microcenter in Santa Ana (I'm in LA area right now on vacation and was at Microcenter today! ) and you can get a Phenom II x4 + free motherboard (though only one of the motherboards is ready for a 125W TDP processor and that is the Gigabyte 760G AM3+)
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...Intended use:
Personal server, programming, linux OS, and hopefully 3D modeling and CADing.
When you say personal server, what server functions are we talking about because traditionally you wouldn't do any programming or 3d modelling on a server...
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