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A House of Representatives subcommittee on Wednesday approved legislation that would establish a national data breach notification law and require companies to implement data protection policies.
But it appears the measure faces an uphill climb, similar to past data breach notification proposals that never were enacted into law.


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http://www.scmagazineus.com/breach-law-passes-hurdle-but-faces-opposition/article/208067/
    
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From reading the article, this bill won't help much. But it's a start I guess.
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That's completely absurd. How can you force a company to do that? What if they cannot afford that, who's going to pay for it? This will be a huge burden on small businesses that are struggling to get by even more.

A company should have the right to run their businesses the way they want. If they don't want to put a lock on their doors that's their business. If they want to put up a sign out front that says doors open take what you want that is their business as well.

My point is this shouldn't be necessary as the companies need to be responsible for their own securities and should be held accountable for their loses.
Edited by KusH - 7/23/11 at 10:36am
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That's completely absurd. How can you force a company to do that? What if they cannot afford that, who's going to pay for it? This will be a huge burden on small businesses that are struggling to get by even more.

A company should have the right to run their businesses the way they want. If they don't want to put a lock on their doors that's their business. If they want to put up a sign out front that says doors open take what you want that is their business as well.

My point is this shouldn't be necessary as the companies need to be responsible for their own securities and should be held accountable for their loses.

the bill is not meant to protect the corporations ... but the data that these corporations hold .... say .. what happens if say visa gets hacked ????


credit information ... cards holders info ... and even card holders account info so that transaction can be done ....


i doubt you'd want that to happen ...
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Originally Posted by KusH;14318621 
That's completely absurd. How can you force a company to do that? What if they cannot afford that, who's going to pay for it? This will be a huge burden on small businesses that are struggling to get by even more.

A company should have the right to run their businesses the way they want. If they don't want to put a lock on their doors that's their business. If they want to put up a sign out front that says doors open take what you want that is their business as well.

My point is this shouldn't be necessary as the companies need to be responsible for their own securities and should be held accountable for their loses.


i disagree with you. if the company can not afford to protects its users data then it should switch industies. they can always be a lawn company that gets paid in cash.
    
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Originally Posted by KusH;14318621 
That's completely absurd. How can you force a company to do that? What if they cannot afford that, who's going to pay for it? This will be a huge burden on small businesses that are struggling to get by even more.

A company should have the right to run their businesses the way they want. If they don't want to put a lock on their doors that's their business. If they want to put up a sign out front that says doors open take what you want that is their business as well.

My point is this shouldn't be necessary as the companies need to be responsible for their own securities and should be held accountable for their loses.

Is it really that hard? Just like the requirements for keeping credit card info safe if you process payments this seems like a good requirement to protect everyone. Would you of liked to see Sony forced to secure their data more securely or do you really think letting them do whatever they want like storing personal information in plain text, which is basically leaving the doors open on the server, is ok?
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Originally Posted by Fr0sty;14318860 
the bill is not meant to protect the corporations ... but the data that these corporations hold .... say .. what happens if say visa gets hacked ????


credit information ... cards holders info ... and even card holders account info so that transaction can be done ....


i doubt you'd want that to happen ...

Well if Visa were to get hacked, have them held responsible for their negligence. Have them severely fined. Also, if customers know their data isn't safe with a company, how long do you think they will stay with them, chances are not too long.
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i disagree with you. if the company can not afford to protects its users data then it should switch industies. they can always be a lawn company that gets paid in cash.

That's my whole point. If you are a company where you have such sensitive data you should account for that in your business model. Not, oh we will worry about it later. And it goes back to if the customer knows that the company isn't reliable then they won't use them in the first place.
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Originally Posted by PoopaScoopa;14318934 
Is it really that hard? Just like the requirements for keeping credit card info safe if you process payments this seems like a good requirement to protect everyone. Would you of liked to see Sony forced to secure their data more securely or do you really think letting them do whatever they want like storing personal information in plain text, which is basically leaving the doors open on the server, is ok?

No I don't want any company to be forced to do anything, if they have bad business practices hopefully people won't buy from them and make them go bankrupt. That's how a free market should work, companies are meant to fail. If you have a bad business model with a bad business reputation then you will not survive.

It's called having a good product/service, if you can provide that sort of security they will prosper and thrive, while if they don't they will starve and go bankrupt.
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Well if Visa were to get hacked, have them held responsible for their negligence. Have them severely fined. Also, if customers know their data isn't safe with a company, how long do you think they will stay with them, chances are not too long.



That's my whole point. If you are a company where you have such sensitive data you should account for that in your business model. Not, oh we will worry about it later. And it goes back to if the customer knows that the company isn't reliable then they won't use them in the first place.



No I don't want any company to be forced to do anything, if they have bad business practices hopefully people won't buy from them and make them go bankrupt. That's how a free market should work, companies are meant to fail. If you have a bad business model with a bad business reputation then you will not survive.

It's called having a good product/service, if you can provide that sort of security they will prosper and thrive, while if they don't they will starve and go bankrupt.


in some cases such as these. it think it would be better to be proactive then reactive. i would rather a company be forced to take the extra step to protect my information instead of having them fail from letting my information be taken and then word spreads they suck.
    
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It's called having a good product/service, if you can provide that sort of security they will prosper and thrive, while if they don't they will starve and go bankrupt.

Without some sort of legal requirement, not a single company needs to notify their customers if a data breach occurs. How can you say one company is better than another in what they do if you never know that your data was stolen?

You've got a naive outlook that business cares about their customers. Without some sort of rules on when to notify and basic security steps to take, whats happened so many times already will simply keep happening.
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Well if you're a small business owner this could cost big bucks to implement a security solution that is "government approved" and I think that it's just not right to impose those kind of things on companies as it restricts competition also, with the guide lines are probably very vague so they can use it to shut down companies that are slightly "out of spec"
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Without some sort of legal requirement, not a single company needs to notify their customers if a data breach occurs. How can you say one company is better than another in what they do if you never know that your data was stolen?

You've got a naive outlook that business cares about their customers. Without some sort of rules on when to notify and basic security steps to take, whats happened so many times already will simply keep happening.

So how is this going to change anything you just stated? Does that mean every time their is a breach the customer will now be notified? Also, who is going to pay for all these security implementations?

I know that my boss (a small business owner) cannot just drop 15,000$ on new equipment at any random time.

Now don't get me wrong I think companies need to be much more responsible when it comes to security but do I think the government should force it? No.
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