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I don't think AMD is going to surpass SB IPC yet either, however a high stock speed isn't proof that the IPC is bad. FYI, Bulldozer does not need to have SB-like IPC anyway... if it's close to Nehalem IPC, then they have a clear winner.
I think we will be lucky if IPC is any better then wolfdale, let alone nehelem.
Not that IPC was amd's focus with BD anyway.
Though an 8-core wolfdale clocked at 4ghz wouldn't exactly be a pushover.
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The FX-8170 looks quite good, though we'll have to wait until next year. May as well get the FX-8150 and overclock it, and I do hope the wait was worth the wait.
    
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Oh it was worth it Chrono, It was worth it.
    
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I think we will be lucky if IPC is any better then wolfdale, let alone nehelem.
Not that IPC was amd's focus with BD anyway.
Though an 8-core wolfdale clocked at 4ghz wouldn't exactly be a pushover.
Isn't Llano faster than a 1100T in IPC? I mean if Llano got an improvement,the the increase with BD over Phenom II might be large.
I hope that we are lucky and get at least 1st. gen Core i5 or i7 IPC performance.
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Again, these aren't officially from AMD

AMD doesn't leak clock rates, prices, performance, etc.(Unless it is on the main website *cough*FX*cough* giveaway)

1 Bulldozer Module alone is meant for 3.5GHz+ operation but anymore than one and that scale might actually go lower
Fair enough, just the lack of it being in the rumors section put me off.

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here we go

how can be u so sure ?? u working for AMD /intel ??
if AMD would have clocked it lower u all would say "its FAIL chip so low default clocks we cant hit 5ghz on this chip bla bla "
Because generally, having lower clock speed ensures higher yields and lower voltages (And heat output, etc)

Also, this is a forum and not facebook, I'm sure you absolutely need to save the 2 seconds total wasted by typing an extra "yo" 3 times but please for the sake of the English language, just deal with it.

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Intel fan: 4.5 GHz stock? It must have sux0r IPC!

AMD fan: 4.5 GHz stock!!! AWESOME!!11one!!!
Funny, considering my main rig is Phenom II.

I'm being realistic, I think BD will win in loads that use more than 4 cores simply because of HT vs Modules, but SB/IB will win in single thread performance.

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Would you be saying that if Ivybridge was going to have 4.5Ghz stock speeds?
Actually, yes I would if they were in AMDs position of playing catch up, high clock speeds imply that IPC isn't so good, this isn't back in the day when everyone still thought Ghz mattered.

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Ikr. Intel could release Sandy Bridge CPUs clocked at 4 GHz out of the box if they wanted to. And where the hell do people get the "high clock = low IPC" idea? Just because NetCrap aimed for high clocks but suffered from low IPC doesn't mean Bulldozer will. And as I said before Intel could easily release a 4 GHz Sandy tomorrow. They even released a 4.4 GHz CPU for servers recently, though I don't even remember what architecture that one was based on lol
Because generally companies go for performance that is only a tad above/relatively equal to competitors, getting far ahead doesn't do much if anything except increase costs to them. (Due to not having as good of a yield and having to deal with the extra heat output)

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There is no reason to be excited about Ivy Bridge...as it will perform just like Sandy Bridge
While I doubt there will be a "20%-30%" uniform difference clock for clock, core for core as Intel says, there will be some difference at least.

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IB will also come with native USB3.0 support which i've been waiting for
P77 will come with native USB3.0 support, IB won't have the SB on die too I doubt.

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I think we will be lucky if IPC is any better then wolfdale, let alone nehelem.
Not that IPC was amd's focus with BD anyway.
Though an 8-core wolfdale clocked at 4ghz wouldn't exactly be a pushover.
It's faster than Wolfdale for IPC, because it's faster than Phenom II which is a tiny bit faster/equal to Wolfdale.
    
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The big thing is that for all AMD fanboys alike it's is going to be a huge and i mean huge upgrade from the t series cpu's.For me i'll wait for the benchies because my one rig is 1090t(3.2) and the other is a i5 2400(3.1).In most cases my 1090t is just that little faster than the i5.
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See, the wait is worth it.
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It's faster than Wolfdale for IPC, because it's faster than Phenom II which is a tiny bit faster/equal to Wolfdale.
1) how do you know how BD's IPC compares to PII's?
2)Callisto is slower then Wolfdale. Regor is even worse off.

Deneb vs yorkfield is irrelevant, because yorkfield isn't monolithic. Yorkfield still wins though.

When i say IPC i mean "raw power". Bulldozer will be getting a lot of new instructions, which i haven't factored into these discussions.
Bulldozer's "raw power" might not be much better then k10.5's, but it will still probably end up much faster because of all the "shortcuts" they've added(SSSE5, AVX, etc).
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HOLY CRAP I wanna FX-8170! Super stoked!
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