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Sweet, I am getting a 955 in 2 weeks for my new build, but the mobo is am3+ compatible, so I will probably get the 8100 at when I get the money, lets hope its not too expensive!
    
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Actually, yes I would if they were in AMDs position of playing catch up, high clock speeds imply that IPC isn't so good, this isn't back in the day when everyone still thought Ghz mattered.
No it does not.

Who knows if the IPC is bad or not, it might be, it might not be, but stock speeds are definitely not an indication of that.
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HOLY CRAP I wanna FX-8170! Super stoked!
I want the 8170 too,however the 8150 will probably be just as capable of OC'ing.
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1) how do you know how BD's IPC compares to PII's?
2)Callisto is slower then Wolfdale. Regor is even worse off.

Deneb vs yorkfield is irrelevant, because yorkfield isn't monolithic. Yorkfield still wins though.
anandtech "bench" is a terrible way to compare anything. Btw, the X4 940 would of course be slower than a Q9650,the Q9650 has 12mb of L2 cache, X4 940 only has 2mb.
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Alot of benchmarks in that anandbench thingy are Intel-favored anyway. Useless.
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1) how do you know how BD's IPC compares to PII's?
2)Callisto is slower then Wolfdale. Regor is even worse off.

Deneb vs yorkfield is irrelevant, because yorkfield isn't monolithic. Yorkfield still wins though.
Compare the AM3 Denebs, not the AM2+ Denebs to Yorksfield (Works best if it's still Clock for Clock) and how is Deneb irrelevant? It's the flagship architecture, it's like me saying "Don't compare to the Q9650, compare to the Q8200 because they're more in line due to blahblahblah"

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No it does not.

Who knows if the IPC is bad or not, it might be, it might not be, but stock speeds are definitely not an indication of that.
Why would AMD have a massive clock speed then? There's no point and they'd probably hit OEMs better with lower power usage in chips than high clock speed.
    
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Why would AMD have a massive clock speed then? There's no point and they'd probably hit OEMs better with lower power usage in chips than high clock speed.
I dunno.... more friggin' performance? The power draw isn't exactly massive, and if the architecture allows them to use higher stock speeds, why not do it? Sure it doesn't matter to enthusiasts, but for 99% of the market, it does. 125w/95w TDP chips aren't the only power envelopes BD will have, either.
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Compare the AM3 Denebs, not the AM2+ Denebs to Yorksfield (Works best if it's still Clock for Clock) and how is Deneb irrelevant? It's the flagship architecture, it's like me saying "Don't compare to the Q9650, compare to the Q8200 because they're more in line due to blahblahblah"



Why would AMD have a massive clock speed then? There's no point and they'd probably hit OEMs better with lower power usage in chips than high clock speed.
Either way, as another user said the benchmark still favors the Intel CPU.
We don't know yet why AMD has chosen high clock speeds or even what the clock speeds are,but look at Sandy Bridge,it has a 3.8Ghz turbo. You guys are already guessing BD is lacking in IPC from a WCCF article,which is most likely a rumor.
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I dunno.... more friggin' performance? The power draw isn't exactly massive, and if the architecture allows them to use higher stock speeds, why not do it? Sure it doesn't matter to enthusiasts, but for 99% of the market, it does. 125w/95w TDP chips aren't the only power envelopes BD will have, either.
Agreed.
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anandtech "bench" is a terrible way to compare anything. Btw, the X4 940 would of course be slower than a Q9650,the Q9650 has 12mb of L2 cache, X4 940 only has 2mb.
A shared FSB and a non-integrated memory controller are bigger handicaps then smaller(albeit BETTER) cache design IMO.
Notice the dual cores are much farther apart(performance wise) then the quads, despite the cache sizes being much closer(at least for Callisto vs Wolfdale)

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Alot of benchmarks in that anandbench thingy are Intel-favored anyway. Useless.
So the AMD chips are slower because the benches are rigged, and...NOT because they are well... slower? While some of the benches very well might be biased, I don't think they all are.

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Compare the AM3 Denebs, not the AM2+ Denebs to Yorksfield (Works best if it's still Clock for Clock) and how is Deneb irrelevant? It's the flagship architecture, it's like me saying "Don't compare to the Q9650, compare to the Q8200 because they're more in line due to blahblahblah"
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1) The performance difference between AM2+ and AM3 is negligible.
2)I didn't mean to imply Deneb itself was irrelevant, only that it cant be directly compared to yorkfield because yorkfield is two dies sharing a single FSB.
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So the AMD chips are slower because the benches are rigged, and...NOT because they are well, slower? While some of the benches very well might be biased, I don't think they all are.
I didn't say all of them are.
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Okay, so I just read the majority of the comments, and I got this:

It's still only rumors...

The 19th... If it's true, then dang it!
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