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I dunno.... more friggin' performance? The power draw isn't exactly massive, and if the architecture allows them to use higher stock speeds, why not do it? Sure it doesn't matter to enthusiasts, but for 99% of the market, it does. 125w/95w TDP chips aren't the only power envelopes BD will have, either.
No, they won't be, but if they have as high IPC as SB now why launch at high clock speeds? Intel can launch new models to match the clock speeds easily, I'd have stuck with lower clock speeds then let them climb up slowly (Eg. PhII 980) rather than start off fast.

And generally every CPU or GPU that's been released with a massive clock speed doesn't perform well in terms of IPC, companies tend to prefer to match the competition then let them slowly go up with competition rather than launch a kill-all product at high clock speeds and high IPC.

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Either way, as another user said the benchmark still favors the Intel CPU.
We don't know yet why AMD has chosen high clock speeds or even what the clock speeds are,but look at Sandy Bridge,it has a 3.8Ghz turbo. You guys are already guessing BD is lacking in IPC from a WCCF article,which is most likely a rumor.
Yeah, if this is a rumor then fair enough, we can't tell anything (Why isn't it in rumors and unconfirmed articles though?)

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1) The performance difference between AM2+ and AM3 is negligible.
2)I didn't mean to imply Deneb itself was irrelevant, only that it cant be directly compared to yorkfield because yorkfield is two dies sharing a single FSB.
Between the sockets, yes, but between the AM2+ only chips (940 and 920) which use the Phenom I/Athlon64 IMC and the AM3 only chips which use a new IMC? No, there is a bit of a difference.

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Is there a reason these geniuses didnt give these AM3+ chips (and hint to the mobo manufacturers) triple channel ram? Or is that only going to be exclusively intel for EVER
There's no performance increase, the only benefit is it lets us have more DIMMs total and the Intel fanboys can jerk off to their benchmark scores a bit more.

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can you confirm? nothing points to such. the difference between the 940 and 970 is nothing but a multi jump. they clock the same.
There's also the new IMC in the 970/965.

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mhz isnt an indicative of performance ...
Not if I see "My chips at 5Ghz", that means jack all, is it a P4 at 5Ghz or a SB at 5Ghz? The P4 would struggle to beat my chip and the SB would destroy it.

But when a company launches an entirely new product at high clock speeds? History has taught us it's usually to make up for a low IPC.

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finally these things will have a stock hsf worth using. 8cores at 4.5geez = rocksolid cooler?
More than likely the chips just run really cool, it does help that AMD stock coolers have always been pretty good.
    
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OBR isnt what id call a good source for reliable leaks
I never said he was reliable...

I am just going with the flow

He has an Orochi CPU for AM3+

That will throttle down to 2.2GHz in performance intensive benchmarks(It's not crippled it's for validation)
(Some how a 2.2GHz CPU gets lower scores than a 3.4GHz CPU wow, my logic most be flawed)


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Not if I see "My chips at 5Ghz", that means jack all, is it a P4 at 5Ghz or a SB at 5Ghz? The P4 would struggle to beat my chip and the SB would destroy it.

But when a company launches an entirely new product at high clock speeds? History has taught us it's usually to make up for a low IPC.
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you sir have no understanding of the situation ... brand new architecture ... it means we dont know jack about it beside the module part + "maybe" the speed ... and how turbo core 2.0 works for the server part ....


and based on that you will make a guess and claim its fact...

LOLL



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I never said he was reliable...

I am just going with the flow

He has an Orochi CPU for AM3+

That will throttle down to 2.2GHz in performance intensive benchmarks(It's not crippled it's for validation)
(Some how a 2.2GHz CPU gets lower scores than a 3.4GHz CPU wow, my logic most be flawed)


maybe because the power state control in his broken up zambezi is messed up ... since its not a retail cpu we cant expect anything to be correct ....
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I'm too lazy to read though the whole thread right now, but if It has not been mentioned already, all indicators point to Bulldozer being a high(er) frequency design. The clock speeds detailed are at least a result of the architecture of bulldozer, and not necessarily an attempt to make up for a missed goal of clock-for-clock performance.

David Kanter has a nice right up here. http://realworldtech.com/page.cfm?Ar...2610181333&p=2
Intel failed with Netburst, but IBM has succeed with this design with its POWER processors.
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The Llano shipping to launch date was for different reasons(Llano = Labtops)

Zambezi will launch when it ships(Zambezi = Desktops)
So now it's still either August or September?
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I'm too lazy to read though the whole thread right now, but if It has not been mentioned already, all indicators point to Bulldozer being a high(er) frequency design. The clock speeds detailed are at least a result of the architecture of bulldozer, and not necessarily an attempt to make up for a missed goal of clock-for-clock performance.
Phenom II ≤ "Bulldozer"
on clockrates

The FX Design is very hard to understand because it retains the functionality of Phenom II but improves it
(Better Single Threaded performance with an architecture shrink(less transistors) and a die shrink(more transistors))

David Kanter misunderstood one point
Bulldozer is meant to go head to head with Single Thread Performance with Intel

Single Threaded Performance was not lost on Bulldozer but gaaaaaiiiinnneeeedddd~
(How much wait till the benchmarks on Dhrystone and Whetstone particularly take notice of the ALU benchmarks)

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So now it's still either August or September?
I put my foot on august, purely august
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My opinion is that an August release is highly unlikely. I'd say most likely September or October.

AMD's Q2 statements say Bulldozer is "shipping" in August. They said that Llano would "ship" on April 4th (http://blogs.amd.com/fusion/2011/04/...u-is-shipping/).


Llano didn't launch until June 14th.
Dunno why you put ship in quotes. Bulldozer is a finished CPU and will be shipping to OEMs and distributors in a few weeks time. That is confirmed by AMD.

While the launch date is unknown, to use Llano as a method to guess when BD will launch is a poor idea. Llano was designed for the mainstream thus it would make little sense if it was launched before OEMs had a chance to build laptops and big boxes. Meaning it had to ship way in advance of launch to give OEMs time to work.

While bulldozer will end up in high priced OEM boxes/laptops, it is not a mainstream part and there is plenty of money to be made if it launches after the PIBs (processor in box) are stocked at Newegg and other major retailers. Stocking should take no more than a couple weeks after initial shipping.

This 9/19 date is a rumor based on "ember 19th" in AMD's comic. Expect a late August launch and AMD to abide by what they said at Computex.
Edited by JCPUser - 7/24/11 at 4:21pm
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While bulldozer will end up in high priced OEM boxes/laptops, it is not a mainstream part and there is plenty of money to be made if it launches after the PIBs (processor in box) are stocked at Newegg and other major retailers. Stocking should take no more than a couple weeks after initial shipping.
FX isn't going to laptops

AMDs Laptop market is purely APUs only 100% APU
(Llano -> Trinity = the only laptop parts)



I don't see FX CPUs here(I don't see CPUs at ALL)

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This 9/19 date is a rumor based on "ember 19th" in AMD's comic. Expect a late August launch and AMD to abide by what they said at Computex.
Agreed
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FX isn't going to laptops
I will agree that AMD didn't design them for laptops, but I was referring to Alienware or some other OEM from stuffing one in there anyway.
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Phenom II ≤ "Bulldozer"
on clockrates

The FX Design is very hard to understand because it retains the functionality of Phenom II but improves it
(Better Single Threaded performance with an architecture shrink(less transistors) and a die shrink(more transistors))

David Kanter misunderstood one point
Bulldozer is meant to go head to head with Single Thread Performance with Intel

Single Threaded Performance was not lost on Bulldozer but gaaaaaiiiinnneeeedddd~
(How much wait till the benchmarks on Dhrystone and Whetstone particularly take notice of the ALU benchmarks)



I put my foot on august, purely august

what phenom II founctionality does it retain???


please tell me ... you seem to know more then us
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