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I will agree that AMD didn't design them for laptops, but I was referring to Alienware or some other OEM from stuffing one in there anyway.
No socket for it, so no it's impossible

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what phenom II founctionality does it retain???


please tell me ... you seem to know more then us
I meant same performance...to greater performance

So you have an FX "Zambezi" 6C the worst it possibly can do is score the same as the Phenom II 6C on the same workloads

To me that is same functionality


Edited by Seronx - 7/24/11 at 4:37pm
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post #192 of 244
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Phenom II ≤ "Bulldozer"
on clockrates
Yes. Although Phenom II's high clocks are more about the improvement in process and cpu steppings.
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The FX Design is very hard to understand because it retains the functionality of Phenom II but improves it
(Better Single Threaded performance with an architecture shrink and a die shrink)
Its not an architecture(?) shrink. Bulldozer is a new architecture built from the ground up. Its been in the oven for awhile. There's a reason why Phenom I was only an evolutionary step-up. And in realilty, everything from clawhammer up to Llano is still internally referenced as a K8 or K8 derived core.
Also, Bulldozer drops an ALU, and can theoretically perform worse than the previous core in a certain scenario. I've read that its not likely to occur often, however.
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David Kanter misunderstood one point
Bulldozer is meant to go head to head with Single Thread Performance with Intel
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the single threaded performance should actually be higher than the previous generation Magny-Cours and comparable to current Intel designs. However, in determining project goals for Bulldozer single threaded performance was consciously sacrificed to meet what the team determined was a more optimal overall design point.
The Module concept is all about being efficient with parallel workloads.
Edited by Somenoob - 7/24/11 at 4:44pm
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post #193 of 244
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No socket for it, so no it's impossible
Not sure if this is worth arguing about, but couldn't a mobo maker take the AM3+ socket and design a laptop board around it.

Or are you saying that current laptops with PHII are not AM3 but some other unknown(?) socket?

I know not many people buy enthusiast type laptops, but it seems strange to concede that entire market to Intel by default.
post #194 of 244
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No socket for it, so no it's impossible



I meant same performance...to greater performance

So you have an FX "Zambezi" 6C the worst it possibly can do is score the same as the Phenom II 6C on the same workloads

To me that is same functionality

open up a dictionary and check out the meaning of founctionality then ....



and btw those were es samples with completly borked up logic portion ... thus screwing up the bigger picture


and OBR was the source for most leaks and he admited to trolling the whole community ... so again we have nothing on bulldozer ....



so how can you even tell that they have the same performance ... or how better it is



and i will agree that the module is good for multi threaded workload ... but it also has its merit in the whole apu target that amd is aiming ... + 2013 will give us a 2nd gen bulldozer .. and we dont know how much improvement it will give it in term of processing hardware ... good times ahead im sure
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No socket for it, so no it's impossible
Unless there are some licensing costs etc. that I'm not aware of, there is nothing that prevents an OEM like dell/alienware from stuffing a full blown BD chip in a laptop.
 
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post #196 of 244
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Phenom II ≤ "Bulldozer"
on clockrates

The FX Design is very hard to understand because it retains the functionality of Phenom II but improves it
(Better Single Threaded performance with an architecture shrink(less transistors) and a die shrink(more transistors))
32nm Die Shrink + Brand New Architecture. It's not an Architecture Shrink when they have been working on this for 5-6+ Years as officially disclosed at Computex on June 1st. Even the 45nm Variants of Bulldozer scheduled for Sampling and launch in 2009 were New Architecture's on a Die Shrink. It's not Hard at all to Understand as long as you understand the Chronological development of the Bulldozer Architecture. It doesn't retain any functionality of Phenom II.
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Yes. Although Phenom II's high clocks are more about the improvement in process and cpu steppings.
Only so much you can do without 32nm and HKMG
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Its not an architecture(?) shrink. Bulldozer is a new architecture built from the ground up. Its been in the oven for awhile. There's a reason why Phenom I was only an evolutionary step-up. And in realilty, everything from sledgehammer up to Llano is still internally referenced as a K8 or K8 derived core.
Also, Bulldozer drops an ALU, and can theoretically perform worse than the previous core in a certain scenario.
Phenom II does 3 integer executions per cycle per core
FX does 4 integer executions per cycle per core

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The Module concept is all about being efficient with parallel workloads.
Not at all....that is just the side effect of having the ability of having more cores

The Module concept is all about shrinking the die space and shrinking the power consumption while retaining the performance increase the comes with new architectures

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Or are you saying that current laptops with PHII are not AM3 but some other unknown(?) socket?
PHIIM uses the S1g4 sockets
The new sockets are FS1 sockets and they are only designed for APUs

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open up a dictionary and check out the meaning of founctionality then ....
The quality of being suited to serve a purpose well

Phenom II and FX both are suited to serve my workloads well, no functionality was lost, thus retains the functionality
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so how can you even tell that they have the same performance ... or how better it is
New Architecture = More performance
Always
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you sir have no understanding of the situation ... brand new architecture ... it means we dont know jack about it beside the module part + "maybe" the speed ... and how turbo core 2.0 works for the server part ....


and based on that you will make a guess and claim its fact...

LOLL
That's true, and I am speculating (I never once claimed its a fact) and going from the past, however the past tends to be a very good teacher and even with the Athlon64, AMD didn't launch at high clock speeds, they let the IPC do the talking and just ramped up clock speed as the chip aged.
That said, there is Bulldozer enhanced coming out soon.
    
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"ember 19th" on the side of the cartoon box most be relevant

they know computers dorks will think its something important, and release is a natural conclusion
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PHIIM uses the S1g4 sockets
The new sockets are FS1 sockets and they are only designed for APUs
OK, I will concede the laptop thing. Though it should be possible (maybe expensive and unrealistic) to take a desktop chipset and socket and fit into a laptop form factor. But, I dunno.

Anyway, my original post wasn't about this topic anyway. My original point was that you can't look at how AMD handled Llano (given its market) and then decide that FX won't launch to 2 months after shipping. I still think bulldozer shows up late next month.
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