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Originally Posted by Seronx;14332903 
1a.) No insults please

1b.) Pricing doesn't determine performance does it....

2.) Zambezi is in the same performance bracket as SB-E

Show me the evidence for this?

Oh wait, you can't. You know why? Because real benchmarks for Zambezi don't exist currently.

Preliminary benchmarks for SB-E show that it's between 20-50% faster than a Core i7-990X, depending on the benchmark.

Believe me, if Zambezi was 20-50% faster than a 990X, AMD would have priced it accordingly. AMD is a business, and their ultimate goal is to make the biggest profit. If Honda/Acura decided to make a high performance, 450HP V8 luxury sedan tomorrow, you can bet they'd price it in line with the likes of the BMW M3. It makes no financial sense to price a CPU at $300 if that CPU is competitive with Intel's highest-end offerings.
Edited by 996gt2 - 7/24/11 at 6:54pm
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Show me the evidence for this?
FX Moniker

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Oh wait, you can't. You know why? Because benchmarks have not yet been released for Zambezi.
FX Moniker

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Preliminary benchmarks for SB-E show that it's between 20-50% faster than a Core i7-990X.
Really a new architecture beats the architecture before it, I am not surprised

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Believe me, if Zambezi was 20-50% faster than a 990X, AMD would have priced it accordingly. If Honda decided to make a high performance, 400HP V8 sedan tomorrow, you can bet they'd price it in line with the likes of the BMW M3.
You are comparing two different types of markets

The Car Market = Oligopoly

The CPU Market = Monopolistic competition
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FX Moniker



FX Moniker



Wow, really a new architecture beats the architecture before it WOW!!!!!



You are comparing to different types of markets

The Car Market = Oligopoly

The CPU Market = Monopolistic competition
FX moniker means nothing. It's just a name.

Just like AMD's black edition monikor also doesn't mean much other than an unlocked multiplier. It says nothing about performance.

Perhaps a historical example will help you understand.

Back in 2005, AMD's FX chips were top of the line. Or so you might think. Despite the FX name, a Core 2 Duo LAPTOP chip overclocked to 3 GHz handily outperformed it. How much did the FX moniker mean in that case?


I'm willing to bet you $100 right now on the spot that Zambezi will not be competitive with SB-E. You game?
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FX moniker means nothing. It's just a name.
It is a name they used before

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Just like AMD's black edition monikor also doesn't mean much other than an unlocked multiplier.
Black Edition just says unlocked multiplier

But FX means something totally different for AMD Products

FX = The Equivalent of EE

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I'm willing to bet you $100 right now on the spot that Zambezi will not be competitive with SB-E. You game?
I can't gamble, sorry

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Back in 2005, AMD's FX chips were top of the line. Or so you might think. Despite the FX name, a Core 2 Duo LAPTOP chip overclocked to 3 GHz handily outperformed it. How much did the FX moniker mean in that case?
Different year of architectures

FX competes against the EE series of the same year
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Sandy Bridge isn't what you should be looking at...look at Sandy Bridge-E
Why do you keep insisting to compare BD vs SB-E? Amd has even said it will price BD to compete with SB. Do you have raw data that shows BD will beat up on a 2600K because everything that has been leaked so far has shown the opposite.

Going to C0 isn't going to pull 30% better numbers out of BD.
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3.9GHz stock and 4.5GHz turbo??? That's crazy!
This.
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But FX means something totally different for AMD Products

Different year of architectures

FX competes against the EE series of the same year
Actually, no.

FX-55 compared against a Dothan Core Duo of the same year, at the same clock speed:





But that's a small point. Look, in the end, a name is just a name. "Pentium" used to be Intel's name for their high-end chips. When Intel brought back the Pentium name a few years ago, it was (and still is) relegated to low-end parts.

"FX" has always meant AMD's high end chips. In Zambezi's case it means that these new Zambezi chips will be AMD's high-end CPUs, but it does not in any sense imply that Zambezi was designed to compete with SB-E.

How hard is that for you to understand?
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1a.) No insults please

1b.) Pricing doesn't determine performance does it....

2a.) Zambezi is in the same performance bracket as SB-E

2b.) Which is faster the BMW or the Honda Civic? which one has better gas mileage and more features?
(If the Honda beats the BMW then everyone in the savings game should by the Honda not the BMW)
Intel can price their processors how ever they want to.
AMD usually prices their CPU's lower,while prices being indicative of performance,ie. Athlon II being priced lower than Phenom II.
The BMW is of course faster,unless you're talking about a Honda built for performance. With a BMW or a $<400 Sandy Bridge E you're paying for the name.
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Intel can price their processors how ever they want to.
AMD usually prices their CPU's lower,while prices being indicative of performance,ie. Athlon II being priced lower than Phenom II.
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Intel beat AMD to market by nearly four years, but AMD priced its 40 MHz 486 at or below Intel's price for a 33 MHz chip, offering about 20% better performance for the same price.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am486
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I never even implied it was fact, in fact I originally said that a high clock speed implies low IPC simply because it always has in the past...And considering companies tend to prefer to stick with whats known than change stuff for no reason, the past is a great way to guess with product releases.

And your analogy with the P4 doesn't work. Intel knew they went in the completely wrong direction whereas AMD is headed in the right direction quite obviously.

I know what IPC means, but generally companies try to match or very slightly beat out the competition, why else is SB only at 3.4Ghz with 3.8Ghz Turbo? They could easily get to 4Ghz stock speeds with 4.4Ghz turbo on the stock cooler within 125w, but they don't because SBs IPC is high enough for it not to need 4Ghz stock yet.

Don't get me wrong, Bulldozer will be a great chip, I'm just sick of half of OCN regarding it as a god-chip when it's likely to beat SB if you use a certain amount of cores, depending on the OC.


btw you implying that a high speed design must be a low ipc design because of past event isnt a bright judgemental analysis based on past design ... because as we know nothing stays in place in the world .... and things change in computer tech ... so why use the past to judge the future???


if you think intel could have made their sandy go to 4ghz easily is just wrong .... they would have needed to bin them on a higher level for that .. and maybe yields would have gotten down .. thus not being able to offer those mainstream prices???
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