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, I feel like I am talking to many brick walls that can't fathom AMD beating Intel
First of all, I like how you avoided responding to my post

Nobody is saying that there is no chance of AMD beating Intel.

Bulldozer could turn out to be better than expected and actually beat Sandy Bridge. But is it going to beat Intel's high-end, $1000 SB-E? Chances are virtually nil.

When the benchmarks for Zambezi come out, I hope you're still around on this forum so that I can quote your post
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I think everyone should stop getting their knickers in a twist. The FX processors and the SB-E processors are going to be compared at one point, whether or not they're in the same price bracket. They're both the top of the line for both competitors. When I say all of this, I mean at some point. BD isn't even out yet, and neither are actual benchmarks for BD.

I would like to ask if anyone has any news on pricing or maybe real benchmarks. Anyone?
 
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First of all, I like how you avoided responding to my post

Nobody is saying that there is no chance of AMD beating Intel.

Bulldozer could turn out to be better than expected and actually beat Sandy Bridge. But is it going to beat Intel's high-end, $1000 SB-E? Chances are virtually nil.

When the benchmarks for Zambezi come out, I hope you're still around on this forum so that I can quote your post
AMD's High-end will compete with(and will probably destroy) Intel's High-end

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I think everyone should stop getting their knickers in a twist. The FX processors and the SB-E processors are going to be compared at one point, whether or not they're in the same price bracket. They're both the top of the line for both competitors. When I say all of this, I mean at some point. BD isn't even out yet, and neither are actual benchmarks for BD.
Thank you

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I would like to ask if anyone has any news on pricing or maybe real benchmarks. Anyone?
$300 for an FX 8 Core, go check the FX Giveaway rules
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, I feel like I am talking to many brick walls that can't fathom AMD beating Intel




Is that you pestilence?



FX competes with EE





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am486
Intel fanboys think it's impossible for AMD to beat almighty Intel.
With today's Intel and AMD processors, there is a lot more to a CPU than just clock speeds.
You don't know what BD competes with yet neither does he.
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Actually, no.

FX-55 compared against a Dothan Core Duo of the same year, at the same clock speed:
http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2005/...t/image062.gif
But that's a small point. Look, in the end, a name is just a name. "Pentium" used to be Intel's name for their high-end chips. When Intel brought back the Pentium name a few years ago, it was (and still is) relegated to low-end parts.

"FX" has always meant AMD's high end chips. In Zambezi's case it means that these new Zambezi chips will be AMD's high-end CPUs, but it does not in any sense imply that Zambezi was designed to compete with SB-E.

How hard is that for you to understand?
The Core Duo was overclocked,the FX was not,look at the Core Duo at its stock speed,it's slower than the FX-55.
How do you know that Zembezi doesn't compete with SB-E?
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You don't know what BD competes with yet neither does he.
FX always competed with EE it is just now that this time, FX isn't in the same price bracket

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Each MC firm independently sets the terms of exchange for its product. The firm gives no consideration to what effect its decision may have on competitors. The theory is that any action will have such a negligible effect on the overall market demand that an MC firm can act without fear of prompting heightened competition. In other words each firm feels free to set prices as if it were a monopoly rather than an oligopoly.
AMD doesn't give a crap what Intel prices its CPUs nor does Intel to AMD

Price =/= Performance

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thanks for proving my point even more
AMD FX has increased functionality but functionality isn't lost like most people are saying
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FX always competed with EE it is just now that this time, FX isn't in the same price bracket



AMD FX has increased functionality but functionality isn't lost like most people are saying



legacy support .....


and to repeat myself yet again ... its a brand new architecture .... and i will repeat myself yet again


LEGACY SUPPORT!! it is the reason why they must keep old instruction sets and keep some old stuff .... yet the way that the processing logic is layed out and how it interact with the rest of the on die logistic is different
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FX always competed with EE it is just now that this time, FX isn't in the same price bracket

AMD doesn't give a crap what Intel prices its CPUs nor does Intel to AMD
Price =/= Performance
AMD FX has increased functionality but functionality isn't lost like most people are saying
Last time AMD's FX competed with EE,it was similarly priced with EE,however other Athlon 64 CPU's were faster as well. Unless AMD knows they have a winner that is cheap to manufacture to sell to the consumer at a lower price while still competing on the high end,FX isn't going to fight with EE this time.
I understand the fact,but then why did Intel pull an AMD and sell SB cheaper than their previous gen of Core CPU's?
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legacy support .....


and to repeat myself yet again ... its a brand new architecture .... and i will repeat myself yet again


LEGACY SUPPORT!! it is the reason why they must keep old instruction sets and keep some old stuff .... yet the way that the processing logic is layed out and how it interact with the rest of the on die logistic is different
Not sure if this is true but i've heard that BD will emulate legacy instructions.
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On the topic of IPC. I don't think most here understand the IPC numbers given by either company. When we hear that BD now has 4 IPC, the same as SB/Neh, etc. it isn't as clean cut as that. IPC is an always varying number depending on any number of things including how well coded the software is and what instruction sets it takes advantage of, as well as some other considerations.

The 4 IPC, or 3 in the case of PHII is the max theoretical instructions it can execute per core each clock cycle. There have been tests done to evaluate the IPC of chips done in the past, but I haven't seen anything more recent than a nehalem/deneb comparison. They used various pieces of software and ran tests to determine the average IPC for that program. Of all the tests they done, neither CPU ever reached their full IPC, 3 and 4 for AMD/Intel respectively. I can't remember off the top of my head, but I think the overall average for Nehalem was around 3.1-3.3 and Deneb was around 2.4 give or take a tenth. Some apps would hit, lets say 3.7 for Nehalem while others would scrape by at sub 2 IPC.

I just thought it was something interesting and needed to be brought up. We really can't base anything on the IPC other than BD can now theoretically reach the same IPC as Neha/SB. They could have greatly improved over Intel's average, even though they have the same max or they could still be sub 3 average even though it can max at 4 when everything falls perfectly in place. I hope the former is true, but that is my point, it is all guesswork at this time.
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Unless AMD knows they have a winner that is cheap to manufacture to sell to the consumer at a lower price while still competing on the high end,FX isn't going to fight with EE this time.
1.) Why wouldn't AMD FX (this gen) be a winner, It's cheaper to make it has the same MSRP as the Phenom II 1090T while having a significant boost in performance

2.) Um, where did that come from?
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1.) Why wouldn't AMD FX (this gen) be a winner, It's cheaper to make it has the same MSRP as the Phenom II 1090T while having a significant boost in performance

2.) Um, where did that come from?
Let me just ask you this:

If AMD had a CPU on their hands that was competitive with Intel's best $1000 EE, why would they price it at $300 when they could price it at $600, 800, or $1000?

With regard to your point #1: Nobody knows how Zambezi will perform. There are NO real benchmarks out yet. It could be great, or it could be a total flop like the first Phenom was.
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