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This is a pretty strong opinion -- I prefer to use a single large card in my 50D, as the time it takes to change cards can be detrimental, especially if you're doing it 3 or 4 times over. You'll also have more stuff to keep track of -- what if you lose one of your smaller capacity cards?

Preferential, of course, but it's best to consider the +/- of either option.
It's better than losing one of the higher capacity cards, I'll tell you that much

Also, it's a wedding you're talking about, not a sporting event where you shoot like you were using an AK-47. You don't take photos fast enough to fill up 4GB cards fast enough for their size to get in your way (not even on a 5DmkII). As long as you pay attention to it once in a while it's perfectly fine. For example, don't start snapping them walking into the reception and starting to dance when you've only got space for 10 pictures - swap out the card beforehand.

I'm not talking about in general by the way, I'm talking about weddings specifically.
Edited by Manyak - 7/25/11 at 8:05pm
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Also, it's a wedding you're talking about, not a sporting event where you shoot like you were using an AK-47. You don't take photos fast enough to fill up 4GB cards fast enough for their size to get in your way (not even on a 5DmkII).
Says who? First-time wedding photogs would do well to over shoot. Shooting more > shooting less.

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As long as you pay attention to it once in a while it's perfectly fine. For example, don't start snapping them walking into the reception and starting to dance when you've only got space for 10 pictures - swap out the card beforehand.
Why risk having to pay attention to another major detail? You'll spend far too much time gauging your shots if you're busy worrying about filling up the card at the right time.
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Are you going to be the only photographer?

If so, don't limit yourself to one single prime and that's it. You will miss plenty of shots because of how long it takes to foot zoom, and with that lens you won't be able to get any group shots without a lot of space.

Don't forget - their wedding isn't about you getting the sharpest shots possible, it's about getting shots that they'll enjoy looking at 10, 20, 30 years from now. They're not going to sit there and pick apart your sharpness or DOF or anything, they just want to see their memories. So if you're only going to have one lens, make it a lens that you can capture as many moments as possible: a normal zoom.

That said, you're going to want an f/2.8 one if it's indoors. If you can't afford it, then rent it!

Also, you're better off using multiple smaller cards instead of one or two massive 32GB ones. What happens if a card dies and you lose all the photos on it? If you have your shots spread out over 5 or 6 4GB cards then at least you'll lose fewer photos and the bride and groom won't hate you as much .
Actually, the cool thing about the D7000 is it has two SD slots, and I can set it up so that it puts pictures on both cards whenever I snap one. This way it sort of backs up everything you shoot

I was actually looking at the 70-200mm 2.8 lens. I'm definitely going to rent that. Thanks for the info!
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Says who? First-time wedding photogs would do well to over shoot. Shooting more > shooting less.
Quality of shots >>>> quantity of shots. If he's worried about shooting everything possible then he won't be paying enough attention on how to make each shot really count.

Either way, even if he took 200 shots an hour (which is very high for a wedding) he'd still only need to change the card once per hour.


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Why risk having to pay attention to another major detail? You'll spend far too much time gauging your shots if you're busy worrying about filling up the card at the right time.
It's not a major detail, it's just a card swap. What would you have said to photographers 10 years ago, when they were still using film - sometimes even 120 film - at weddings?


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Actually, the cool thing about the D7000 is it has two SD slots, and I can set it up so that it puts pictures on both cards whenever I snap one. This way it sort of backs up everything you shoot

I was actually looking at the 70-200mm 2.8 lens. I'm definitely going to rent that. Thanks for the info!
lol, I didn't even notice that...way to kill our debate

However, I was thinking about something more along the lines of a 24-70, or maybe a 17-55 since you're on DX. You won't be able to get a single group shot with a 70-200, and believe me, people are going to want plenty of those.
Edited by Manyak - 7/25/11 at 8:40pm
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post #25 of 39
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If he's worried about shooting everything possible then he won't be paying enough attention on how to make each shot really count.
Are you confident enough about someone else's skill level to make that assumption?

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What would you have said to photographers 10 years ago, when they were still using film - sometimes even 120 film - at weddings?
Bring 2 bodies and an assistant -- the same thing people do nowadays. Seriously good wedding photogs have assitants to take care of the menial work so they can concentrate on shooting. Multiple bodies and partners will make this even easier.

You're doing yourself a disservice by bringing one person, one camera and too much gear to keep track of to an even that is built on spontaneity. Why juggle equipment if you don't have to?
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Are you confident enough about someone else's skill level to make that assumption?
If his skill level is too low to make that assumption, then why is he even accepting to shoot a wedding in the first place? If he has enough confidence in his own skill to shoot a wedding, then since I don't have any more information I can only assume that he at least can see a good shot when it's put right in front of him, and doesn't need to spray and pray.

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Bring 2 bodies and an assistant -- the same thing people do nowadays. Seriously good wedding photogs have assitants to take care of the menial work so they can concentrate on shooting. Multiple bodies and partners will make this even easier.

You're doing yourself a disservice by bringing one person, one camera and too much gear to keep track of to an even that is built on spontaneity. Why juggle equipment if you don't have to?
Which is what he should be doing, no argument there; except he doesn't have the resources for it.
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If his skill level is too low to make that assumption, then why is he even accepting to shoot a wedding in the first place? If he has enough confidence in his own skill to shoot a wedding, then since I don't have any more information I can only assume that he at least can see a good shot when it's in front of him.
Not directed at OP, but... there are plenty of "professional photographers" out there who are just people with the financial means to acquire pro/semi-pro equipment and build a doofy web gallery. It's really common. Their shots look better than what their friends shoot with crappy P+S cameras, but are typically compositional nightmares with the subjects being the tip-top of the mundane scale. I witnessed this at a wedding on Friday -- a high school friend got married and let his 17-year old niece shoot the whole thing. I got to look at some of the shots today, and I can honestly say i would be really disappointed if it had been my wedding.

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Which is what he should be doing, no argument there; except he doesn't have the resources for it.
Few bucks, a friend and a case of beer for said friend. Or just a free ride to the open bar at said wedding.
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Not directed at OP, but... there are plenty of "professional photographers" out there who are just people with the financial means to acquire pro/semi-pro equipment and build a doofy web gallery. It's really common. Their shots look better than what their friends shoot with crappy P+S cameras, but are typically compositional nightmares with the subjects being the tip-top of the mundane scale. I witnessed this at a wedding on Friday -- a high school friend got married and let his 17-year old niece shoot the whole thing. I got to look at some of the shots today, and I can honestly say i would be really disappointed if it had been my wedding.
Oh I know, I've seen it a lot. But here's the question - let's say, hypothetically, that the OP is that bad, and is just taking snapshots with a really expensive camera (not that I'm saying he really is). Then what would it matter if he had to switch cards in the middle of something important? He'd probably miss those shots no matter what size the card was . So either I should assume that he's at least somewhat competent as a photographer, or I shouldn't even bother posting in this thread.

Either way, my whole card size point is moot, since his camera has dual slots :/

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Few bucks, a friend and a case of beer for said friend. Or just a free ride to the open bar at said wedding.
lol good point, open bar is always a great "payment"
Edited by Manyak - 7/25/11 at 9:06pm
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let's say, hypothetically, that the OP is that bad, and is taking snapshots with a really expensive camera (not that I'm saying he really is). Then what would it matter if he had to switch cards in the middle of something important? He'd probably miss those shots no matter what size the card was
Well sure, that assumption throws our entire debate out the window. Assuming he's not that terrible, though, it's at least nice to get perspective on a couple of avenues that can be taken. Neither you or I are wrong or right, our methods are just two preferential ways of accomplishing the same thing.

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Either way, my whole card size point is moot, since his camera has dual slots :/
I don't mind not having dual cards on the 50D, but it can be advantageous from an editing time perspective (JPEG good enough? Less time dicking with RAW editing).

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lol good point, open bar is always a great "payment"
I'll help anyone at any wedding any time if there's an open bar. Anyone.
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Well sure, that assumption throws our entire debate out the window. Assuming he's not that terrible, though, it's at least nice to get perspective on a couple of avenues that can be taken. Neither you or I are wrong or right, our methods are just two preferential ways of accomplishing the same thing.
Yeah I guess. At the end of the day as long as the shots get to the client then that's all that matters.

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I don't mind not having dual cards on the 50D, but it can be advantageous from an editing time perspective (JPEG good enough? Less time dicking with RAW editing).
I really don't care for it that much either, but if I was doing event photography as a full-time profession I'd consider it a necessity. I mean, put yourself in a client's shoes - if you hired a photographer to shoot an event and he came back and gave you no pictures whatsoever, would you ever hire him again or recommend him to anyone?
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