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You have Ubuntu installed on a separate physical hard drive from Windows? Another option instead of playing with the bootloaders, is to specify the hard drive with the OS you want as the boot option.

IE - on my desktop, if I want to boot to windows I hit F12 on startup and select the 160GB HD ... if I want Linux, I pick the 500GB HD. Separate bootloaders on each drive and it can work with or without one of the drives.
    
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You have Ubuntu installed on a separate physical hard drive from Windows? Another option instead of playing with the bootloaders, is to specify the hard drive with the OS you want as the boot option.

IE - on my desktop, if I want to boot to windows I hit F12 on startup and select the 160GB HD ... if I want Linux, I pick the 500GB HD. Separate bootloaders on each drive and it can work with or without one of the drives.
That was the original plan, which got screwed up, and an even better solution was born. This way I don't have to mash F8 when I boot, I can just leave it set to my 500GB drive and whenever I want windows I don't have to worry about changing boot order. I like it more this way

Now so far I have everything working except TF2 It silent crashes at startup. Tomorrow I'll try HL2 and portal and see if those work.

Killing Floor should work on wine, right? It uses unreal engine 2 like UT2k4, which I'm sure had opengl as an output setting.
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That was the original plan, which got screwed up, and an even better solution was born. This way I don't have to mash F8 when I boot, I can just leave it set to my 500GB drive and whenever I want windows I don't have to worry about changing boot order. I like it more this way

Now so far I have everything working except TF2 It silent crashes at startup. Tomorrow I'll try HL2 and portal and see if those work.

Killing Floor should work on wine, right? It uses unreal engine 2 like UT2k4, which I'm sure had opengl as an output setting.
id check around and see if anyone has a killing floor native linux install built because ut2k4 IS native in linux, the orig install discs for ut2k4 actually had a linux installer on disc however the anthology doesnt which makes me all sad panda keep meaning to get the community built installers to deal with those damn .cab files on the anthology dvd to get my frag on with unreal in linux
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Now so far I have everything working except TF2 It silent crashes at startup. Tomorrow I'll try HL2 and portal and see if those work.

Killing Floor should work on wine, right? It uses unreal engine 2 like UT2k4, which I'm sure had opengl as an output setting.
Killling floor works great. It used to have a bug, but with the recent mouse patches, I think it works perfectly now. However I have yet to test this.

Also about TF2, 1st thing you should do is disable steam community. It's painful I know, but it causes most games to crash. More documentation about TF2 and WINE can be found here: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...rsion&iId=9901
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Okay now I've got my home folder over and everything is working except sound. Last night in an attempt to get sound in wine working (there was no sound, which is why I thought maybe tf2 wasn't starting) I did something to remove the pulseaudio server and after a reboot I had sound. Then I came home from school today and had no sound, so I used "sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio linux-sound-base" and one other package whose name escapes me, and then installed alsa-base alsa-utils linux-sound-base, which worked after a reboot. That's when I copied over my home folder and rebooted, and now sound is not working at all. I want to try get pulseaudio back but I haven't the slightest idea how.

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aplay -l
**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
card 0: ICE1724 [ICEnsemble ICE1724], device 0: ICE1724 [ICE1724]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: ICE1724 [ICEnsemble ICE1724], device 1: ICE1724 IEC958 [ICE1724 IEC958]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
That shows that something is hogging my sound card but I have no idea what it is that's hogging it.

Is there any way I can undo everything or am I looking at a reinstall? I'm also about to compile a kernel for this machine, and am hoping that will fix things.

EDIT: Useless post is now useless. I got sound working, I just installed pulseaudio and dependencies again via synaptic and tried to update anything that looked like it had to do with settings or sound, and now I have sound in wine as well as ubuntu Now I just want my sound applet back, but I can live without it as I have my volume buttons on my keyboard.

TF2 still won't work though, even with the overlay disabled. HL2 works fine strangely. The font in steam is terrible but I know how to fix that. And my kernel recompile didn't boot, it couldn't find the root filesystem so I must have missed a config setting somewhere. I'll have another go at it.
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As a matter of fact, that's a typo That was meant to say "I'm clutching at straws when finding a reason to use windows. English is my native language BTW I just tend to fail at it sometimes, especially since I typed that at near midnight last night

So I get I can take my ~/ folder accross, but what about the actual binaries etc. from the installed applications? I don't really want to have to redownload everything considering bandwidth is a luxury here.



Go get some!

EDIT: I booted to 10.04 64bit on my sig rig and gparted won't let me resize my ntfs partition on my 250gb drive. Is there any reason for that? It has a few bad sectors on it if that changes anything, the number of them was going up for a while but then stopped about 3 months ago and the drive has been fine ever since. Otherwise I'll just ditch everything I don't need and back up what I do and reformat. That's probably a better idea anyway.
Epic! lol It's ok, I fail at english sometimes too. Though I always re-read what I type so... I do it when I talk though, don't feel bad. =P

You can take your ~/ directly yes, you can always do that. Installing the programs shouldn't be hard, do you have limited BW? If you had linux already installed you could have imaged your original linux to the new drive. Then edited the /etc/apt/sources.conf to be updated with a newer version of Ubuntu. Run "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" and you'd have the new Ubuntu with all your old programs!!! You don't have to download a new CD ever, this should work every time (sometimes with minor bugs to be fixed). Though I'll warn you, watch the packages it wants to install/remove/update when doing this. You might have to just do an upgrade instead as it's less aggressive. "apt-get upgrade"

Those might not be bad sectors, I'd backup the drive and then manually invoke read/write of the sectors. I had a hell of a time with "bad sectors" on mine, had 3, so I had to find their exact location and force linux to read/write. Then after rebooting upon successful writes SMART reported them clean again. =) It's worth a try!

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aplay -l
**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
card 0: ICE1724 [ICEnsemble ICE1724], device 0: ICE1724 [ICE1724]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: ICE1724 [ICEnsemble ICE1724], device 1: ICE1724 IEC958 [ICE1724 IEC958]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
That shows that something is hogging my sound card but I have no idea what it is that's hogging it.

Is there any way I can undo everything or am I looking at a reinstall? I'm also about to compile a kernel for this machine, and am hoping that will fix things.

EDIT: Useless post is now useless. I got sound working, I just installed pulseaudio and dependencies again via synaptic and tried to update anything that looked like it had to do with settings or sound, and now I have sound in wine as well as ubuntu Now I just want my sound applet back, but I can live without it as I have my volume buttons on my keyboard.

TF2 still won't work though, even with the overlay disabled. HL2 works fine strangely. The font in steam is terrible but I know how to fix that. And my kernel recompile didn't boot, it couldn't find the root filesystem so I must have missed a config setting somewhere. I'll have another go at it.
You should try TF2 on a different wine config. Install steam in two places, like ~/.tf2 and ~/.steam or something. This way you can have an entire wine prefix dedicated to tweaking and getting TF2 to run. Then just ask around on Wine forums and follow the appdb instructions. Trust me, when it comes down to getting an individual game those Wine forums are gold.

As for your sound, remove anything pulseaudio related that will not remove main packages. I use synaptic to do this, if you don't have it I'd recommend getting it. "apt-get install synaptic" and then run it. It has a search function, I use it and search pulseaudio. Remove everything you can but watch what packages it will select to remove. some of them you can't remove, I can't tell you as I'm not in linux atm but you will know. For example, if you remove a required package you'll see synaptic tell you it has to remove kde-workspace ect... That's probably not a good idea. =P Once you have stripped all the non-essential pulseaudio components then re-configure your linux-sound-base (you do NEED this in a debian based distro). "dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base" make sure it's set to ALSA. Delete anything related to sound in /etc/modprobe.d/ that's the blacklisting files, you don't need them and shouldn't have them with vanilla ALSA. Then just make sure asound2, alsa, and that's all installed. You should get sound with that.
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Epic! lol It's ok, I fail at english sometimes too. Though I always re-read what I type so... I do it when I talk though, don't feel bad. =P

You can take your ~/ directly yes, you can always do that. Installing the programs shouldn't be hard, do you have limited BW? If you had linux already installed you could have imaged your original linux to the new drive. Then edited the /etc/apt/sources.conf to be updated with a newer version of Ubuntu. Run "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" and you'd have the new Ubuntu with all your old programs!!! You don't have to download a new CD ever, this should work every time (sometimes with minor bugs to be fixed). Though I'll warn you, watch the packages it wants to install/remove/update when doing this. You might have to just do an upgrade instead as it's less aggressive. "apt-get upgrade"

Those might not be bad sectors, I'd backup the drive and then manually invoke read/write of the sectors. I had a hell of a time with "bad sectors" on mine, had 3, so I had to find their exact location and force linux to read/write. Then after rebooting upon successful writes SMART reported them clean again. =) It's worth a try!
Meh I've got everything I need now, I didn't have to download much. I do need a wallpaper though, http://wallbase.cc/ here I come!

I'm not too worried about the bad sectors, my PC fell over with this drive in it a good 3 years ago which probably caused part of it, and now old age is catching up to it. The drive is 5 years old, it has served its purpose and may die in peace if it wishes to do so

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You should try TF2 on a different wine config. Install steam in two places, like ~/.tf2 and ~/.steam or something. This way you can have an entire wine prefix dedicated to tweaking and getting TF2 to run. Then just ask around on Wine forums and follow the appdb instructions. Trust me, when it comes down to getting an individual game those Wine forums are gold.
I'll give that a shot, thanks I just find it strange that HL2 works but TF2 does not. Weird.
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As for your sound, remove anything pulseaudio related that will not remove main packages. I use synaptic to do this, if you don't have it I'd recommend getting it. "apt-get install synaptic" and then run it. It has a search function, I use it and search pulseaudio. Remove everything you can but watch what packages it will select to remove. some of them you can't remove, I can't tell you as I'm not in linux atm but you will know. For example, if you remove a required package you'll see synaptic tell you it has to remove kde-workspace ect... That's probably not a good idea. =P Once you have stripped all the non-essential pulseaudio components then re-configure your linux-sound-base (you do NEED this in a debian based distro). "dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base" make sure it's set to ALSA. Delete anything related to sound in /etc/modprobe.d/ that's the blacklisting files, you don't need them and shouldn't have them with vanilla ALSA. Then just make sure asound2, alsa, and that's all installed. You should get sound with that.
I got pulseaudio working now. I'm still not sure what I did, but it's working. Last night I had no sound coming from my left channel of my headphones, but a reboot fixed it just fine. Now all is well and wine sounds works

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Meh I've got everything I need now, I didn't have to download much. I do need a wallpaper though, http://wallbase.cc/ here I come!

I'm not too worried about the bad sectors, my PC fell over with this drive in it a good 3 years ago which probably caused part of it, and now old age is catching up to it. The drive is 5 years old, it has served its purpose and may die in peace if it wishes to do so


I'll give that a shot, thanks I just find it strange that HL2 works but TF2 does not. Weird.


I got pulseaudio working now. I'm still not sure what I did, but it's working. Last night I had no sound coming from my left channel of my headphones, but a reboot fixed it just fine. Now all is well and wine sounds works

Thanks +REP
That's good you got audio! With the bad sectors, you can also zero the drive and it should fix them. though it's just quicker to find out how to write to the specific sectors and write to them in linux. I had a thread on this in the forums a while back, don't remember where it is. =S 5 years is nothing for a drive, I've got drives with 5 years of uptime that still work fine. Well it's 4.5 years, all powered on uptime. I'd say zero it overnight and it will be fine if you want to go the easy route.
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That's good you got audio! With the bad sectors, you can also zero the drive and it should fix them. though it's just quicker to find out how to write to the specific sectors and write to them in linux. I had a thread on this in the forums a while back, don't remember where it is. =S 5 years is nothing for a drive, I've got drives with 5 years of uptime that still work fine. Well it's 4.5 years, all powered on uptime. I'd say zero it overnight and it will be fine if you want to go the easy route.
Meh that means I have to reinstall and everything, don't feel like it I'll just live with it. They aren't bothering me
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More help on TF2, if you installed WINE right, you'll get the winetricks script that lets you download MS fonts and change a bunch of registry settings.

Want to know how to fix those Steam fonts? It's because you don't have them. Type "winetricks allfonts" and it will install a set of MS fonts, which should fix the text in Steam. Add "-dxlevel 81 -windowed" to the launch options, because sometimes these parameters are required for TF2 to load for the first time.
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