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Debating on whether I should get a new laptop for college so I don't have to take my desktop up or if I should build an mATX lan box. Parts I have picked out so far for the mATX are:

Outline:
Taking sig rig to college for my dorm. Want to retire laptop to homework and running around campus. Need something more powerful for at home, answer, mATX rig. Laptop may be getting left in the dust AND I will have money to spare over the school year.

Case: Lian Li or Silverstone.

PSU: OCZ ModXStream 600W Price link 500W

Mobo: Asus Maximus IV Gene-Z Price link

CPU: i5-2500k

CPU Cooling: Noctua NH-D14 Price link

TIM: Noctua stuff that comes with the Heatsink

RAM: G. Skill Ripjaw X 2x4GB

Graphics: MSI GTX 560 Ti Price link

HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200RPM I have sitting in my desktop making heat and not storing anything. May add an SSD boot drive to go with the Z68 mobo if price permits.

DVD Drive: Simple ASUS DVD Burner

OS: Windows 7 HP

Monitor: Asus thang Price link

No need for peripherals as I will probably buy something cheap, maybe a mechanical keyboard if price permits O.o

Please let me know if I am missing something, it tends to happen when I have a ton of tabs open.



Don't lecture me on getting the Asus G74 Laptop as I have already considered it and made my mind. THE SAGER IS THE LAPTOP I AM CHOOSING DO NOT RECOMMEND OTHERS!
My other option is a Sager NP8170 with these changes made to the default, (if you so desire to know the other specs google it.):

Graphics: AMD 6970M (Not offered on Xotic yet, don't complain, trying to see if I can back order)

HDD's: RAID 0 500Gb 7200RPM's, whatever brand Xotic puts in

Network: Intel Ultimate, I heard some bad things about the Bigfoot so I am a bit wary to choose that

OS: Windows 7 HP




Overall: I have a budget of about $15-1600 for this, more worried about the mATX build going over if I forgot anything and depending on the case/PSU/cooler

Pros and Cons:

mATX build
Pros:
- Small
- Desktop power (maybe better than my sig rig)
- Fits in my car (2002 Firebird convertible for those of you wondering about size....so what trunk?)
Cons:
- Still difficult to transport as I have a monitor and peripherals

Laptop:
Pros:
- Highly portable, one trip walking to anywhere which I love when I am moving stuff to and from my dorm when I leave on some weekends (if I do not get the mATX build I would take my desktop to the dorm)
- Already have peripherals in my current laptop backpack, comes with monitor and keyboard attached which = win
- Huge improvement from my current laptop
- Can take it to classes (and probably lack any attention to the lecture?) for notes
Cons:
- Pitiful power compared to a desktop

Opinions are welcome as always! Just not on laptop choice, I did a lot of research and remain solid on my decision.
Edited by Chunkylad - 7/28/11 at 1:24pm
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H67 doesnt OC bro. The maximus IV gene would be my choice.

and for sure get the mATX rig, it will pwnzor everything and be tiny at the same time!
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H67 doesnt OC bro. The maximus IV gene would be my choice.

and for sure get the mATX rig, it will pwnzor everything and be tiny at the same time!
Not planning on OCing this, a bit afraid it wouldn't handle the heat well. The Maximus is a bit expensive but it does look quite appealing Will take that into consideration depending on budget.
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Go with maximus IV gene since that is able to be overclocked while the H67 isn't.
Or look at the ASUS p8p67-m also a mATX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131759
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...asus%20p8p67-m

I would suggest having a look at the In-Win Dragon Slayer Micro ATX case it is great and rather cheap but should fit decent air coolers inside. I would probably suggest a Noctua NH-C12P which would fit inside how ever without a fan on the side yet the cooler will draw cool air from the outside the case itself so it would be a great fit.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ragon%20slayer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...19&Tpk=NH-C12P

If I was to go mobile myself after having a so called "gaming" laptop I would totally do this. If your looking for something a bit bigger perhaps still transportable maybe a Cooler Master Storm Scout or something very similar.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119196

I hope this helps!

Oh btw In-win dragon slayer will fit 32cm long graphics probably 35 with removed intake fan.

As for power supply I would get a fully/mostly modular power supply probably OCZ 500w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341016

500w should be more than enough for your mATX with Intel 2500k and MSI GeForce 560 Ti
http://www.overclock.net/power-suppl...alculator.html
But the extra 500w is for future graphics card or once you get a new build you would have enough to power higher end graphics card if needed.
And this one might be bit over the top priced if you wanted to go with the suggested 400watts by Phaedrus
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817151097
You can't go wrong with that kind of power supply though.

If you aren't overclocking why get the Intel i5 2500k? just get the Intel i5 2500.
Though what I suggested should still have room for overclocking and being able to actually handle the heat.

Edit: Might as well look into getting 8 gigs of g.skill ram
And if you don't like the look of the in-win there are plenty of other good mATX cases out there.

Edit 2:
I would also suggest looking into Samsung F3 7200RPM 1TB they are cheaper and one of the best 1TB with 7200RPM out there.

Edit 3:
A Gene IV would be 50 bucks more well spent imo compared to p8p67-m

Edit 4:
I wasn't able to find p8p67-m Pro on newegg so I got confused but I would definitely suggest the p8p67-m pro over the p8p67-m http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Int...55/P8P67M_PRO/ Just need to find it in another store perhaps

Cheers
Edited by Casz - 7/24/11 at 7:09pm
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Originally Posted by Casz View Post
Go with maximus IV gene since that is able to be overclocked while the H67 isn't.
Or look at the ASUS p8p67-m also a mATX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131759
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...asus%20p8p67-m

I would suggest having a look at the In-Win Dragon Slayer Micro ATX case it is great and rather cheap but should fit decent air coolers inside. I would probably suggest a Noctua NH-C12P which would fit inside how ever without a fan on the side yet the cooler will draw cool air from the outside the case itself so it would be a great fit.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ragon%20slayer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...19&Tpk=NH-C12P

If I was to go mobile myself after having a so called "gaming" laptop I would totally do this. If your looking for something a bit bigger perhaps still transportable maybe a Cooler Master Storm Scout or something very similar.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119196

I hope this helps!

Oh btw In-win dragon slayer will fit 32cm long graphics probably 35 with removed intake fan.

As for power supply I would get a fully/mostly modular power supply probably OCZ 500w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341016

500w should be more than enough for your mATX with Intel 2500k and MSI GeForce 560 Ti
http://www.overclock.net/power-suppl...alculator.html
But the extra 500w is for future graphics card or once you get a new build you would have enough to power higher end graphics card if needed.
And this one might be bit over the top priced if you wanted to go with the suggested 400watts by Phaedrus
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817151097
You can't go wrong with that kind of power supply though.

If you aren't overclocking why get the Intel i5 2500k? just get the Intel i5 2500.
Though what I suggested should still have room for overclocking and being able to actually handle the heat.

Edit: Might as well look into getting 8 gigs of g.skill ram
And if you don't like the look of the in-win there are plenty of other good mATX cases out there.

Cheers
Excellent link for the calculator, never saw that before... I think a 500W would be safe even if it is unnecessary. The highest mATX PSU I found had 400W, so I guess I am safe with either a full ATX PSU or micro.
I guess with how cool SB CPU's run I could I could do a minor OC, I just like having the options. I may even move the i5-2500k to my desktop one day since it only has an i5 750.
The only issue I have with the cases you linked are the size. The Storm Scout I know is an excellent case, but with it being a mid tower I might as well go for a full ATX mobo. I am trying to keep this as light as possible and as small as possible. I like the box because the rear seats in my car are soft bucket-like seats and I want something that fits nicely in the bucket. Height is the other issue, don't want it to be top heavy, therefore a box fits everything well. I guess I would need to see them in person to be able to determine whether it would work or not. Thanks for the input!

Edit for your Edit 2: I wanted a Samsung but I want to utilize the new SATA 6Gb/s that 1155 mobo's come with. I do have a Samsung F3 1TB 7200RPM sitting unused in my desktop at the moment , not 6Gb/s though
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Well the In-win Dragon Slayer is a mATX case and weights 15 pounds.
and you'll be able to fit a standard ATX power supply such as the OCZ 500 watts I linked.
While housing all the things you listed

I actually did a In-win Dragon Slayer build recently which is why I am recommending it and I know my friend is very happy with his new build where build almost the same thing as I suggested you and what you expect from a mATX. Which I think is around 24pounds with everything inside it which is rather light compared to the heavy duty it can do.

It's not like the WD will utilizes the 6GB/s mate you would need SSD to be able to do that.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...-review-6.html
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...-review-7.html
Edited by Casz - 7/24/11 at 7:21pm
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Take a look at the TJ08-E for an mATX case. (link in sig)
 
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I'm pretty sure a 6970m will poop on a 560ti.
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I concur the TJ08-E is nice also weight is less

And can fit a NH-C14
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I'm pretty sure a 6970m will poop on a 560ti.
No
It is based on the desktop HD 6850 graphics card.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Rad...M.43077.0.html
 
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