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post #1 of 16
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So my Dad has declared that he is bored and would like to tinker with his HP desktop, here.

He is looking to upgrade his proc and memory mainly. What do you think are reasonable upgrades to suggest? I know nothing about AMD procs, so hopefully someone here can help.

Not looking to go nuts as he wont be able to OC I assume. So maybe one with the highest stock speed?

Thanks
post #2 of 16
Make sure you update the BIOS before you do anything. My parents have an HP that essentially has had the CPU, RAM, and GPU changed. When swapping the CPU (A Pentium 4 641 to a Pentium Dual-core E2160), we had to update the BIOS. That CPU is listed as supported, and even with that BIOS, we get a Red message saying "unsupported CPU" or something, but pressing any key makes it pass that and operate fine (?).

Overclocking will likely be out, but that doesn't mean go crazy and get the highest clock speed, as those are usually exponentially more expensive, so take cost for gains into account. If his CPU is already nearer the top, it makes little financial sense to upgrade it.

What CPU and RAM are in there now? Is he just looking to tinker? Does he have certain uses? Does he have a budget?
post #3 of 16
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Right now he has an Athlon X2 7750 and 2 GB of ram so we are gonna go up to 4 I assume but the proc has me baffled.

He has no real uses but just wants to tinker and doesnt mind spending a few bucks.
post #4 of 16
According to the supported CPU list, you can use nearly any AM2+ CPU, but no AM3 or AM3+. I'd skip the original Phenom, and since he has an Athlon II and a dual core, I'd say grab a Phenom II X3 or Phenom II X4 of some flavor.

Then there's the 4GB RAM, of course. DDR2 is not cheap (well, not as much as DDR3 anyway), but you can max it out for ~$50. This is standard 1.8V 800MHz stuff, so it should work. It's not the best timings though, but you'll have to pay a good premium for that, which probably isn't worth it in this case.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145238

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820178219

If he want some fancy ones with heatspreaders and all... (bias recommendation from experience incoming)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145184

Although that's a $10 premium for the same specs number-wise.

Has he considered adding a GPU, or is the small form factor, PSU, and airflow a concern?

What OS does he have? Has he considered moving to Windows 7 (if on Windows XP) or a 64-bit OS? This alone will help with responsiveness and smoothness in my experience, especially with 4GB RAM.
post #5 of 16
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Thanks Princess - he has Windows 7 and really has no need for a card, I also think it is one of the slimline cases.

Out of those procs which models? I was looking at the x4's but not sure which specific chips.
post #6 of 16
Well, I'm not big on knowledge with AMD offhand, but I'd look at Newegg at see what Phenom II X4s they have that are AM2+, as that's what the motherboard says it supports. The problem is, all Newegg has are AM3 CPUs for AMD. I'm not sure if they are backwards compatible or if you'll need to look elsewhere (maybe second hand). On top of that, some Phenom II X4s are rated for 95W, and some are rated for 125W, and your board only takes 95W variants, so make sure to get the right ones your board supports.

The Athlon II is cheaper than the Phenom II, but since he's coming from an Athlon II, I'd do more than just add cores, which won't help unless he's a heavy user. I think adding L3 cache will help too, so I'd go the extra for the Phenom II myself. That way he'll feel an increase all around. Maybe a Phenom II X3 will be a good compromise.
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by Princess Garnet View Post
The problem is, all Newegg has are AM3 CPUs for AMD.


AM2 were discontinued awhile back in 2009, even I looked around for a better X2, no luck, only craigslist or ebay, etc.

Also DDR2 is a tad bit more expensive due to DDR3 becoming mainstream a year ago.

This only leads to one answer... A new computer?
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post #8 of 16
I figured they'd still have some since I see AM2+, AM3, and AM3+ socket boards though. I guess you'll have to go second hand though.

DDR2 isn't that expensive. It's not as cheap as DDR3, but $45 shipped for 4GB DDR2 isn't half bad for an OEM machine it'll max out.
post #9 of 16
Well, I wouldn't know because I kept my eyes away from any package that says DDR2.. all my machines are DDR3 anyways
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Could you simply get him a new motherboard? Then overclock a little and get a newer proccesor as well? Or is that too much money?

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