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the tend to be good value in many cases but dont expect much if you looking under their mid level offerings
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MSI boards are a crap shoot and I will show you why on a technical level of design...

http://www.overclock.net/amd-motherb...tion-list.html

MSI board are usually 4 phases witch isn't inherently that great or that bad how ever they use cheap components and are only good to a certain CPU wattage, which would be okay but, they usually claim full cpu support and that just isn't case.

I had an intel MSI board fried 3 boards sending them back getting a new one and repeat i even installed VRM cooling and sure if enough it was dead with in minutes of stressing it on a core 2 quad. to make matters worse this board was advertised as an overclocker i could it even raise it a 9 full megahertz before it would refuse to post. when i did get it to OC it would fry.

lets take the. 890FXA-GD70 for example it says it can run the x6 but, there have been many reports of it indeed frying with 6 cores even at stock clocks and it suggested to run a 6 core as it can barley run 125watts with measly 4+1 phase when know well in fact for performance board it should have an 8+2 phase.

Almost every MSI board is like this, they are okay if stay in the suggested TDP rang on the OCN VRM list and don't OC and if you do OC you better be under the OCN suggested TDP.


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the tend to be good value in many cases but dont expect much if you looking under their mid level offerings
To sum it up, what this guy just said. ^
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I switched to an MSI Z68A-GD65 (B3) because I went through two Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 motherboards that refused to boot cleanly 75% of the time. I had a choice of switching to either MSI or Asus, but what frustrated me about Asus is that they strip their non-flagship models of basic features like a PS/2 port (P8Z68-V/P8Z68-V Pro) or a decent number of SATA connectors (P8Z68-V). That Intel LAN may be nice, but it's not worth the premium to me when I can't even keep my keyboard.

I'm happy with the Z68A-GD65 so far. It behaves predictably and it overclocks my i5-2500K to 4.6GHz at a lower voltage than the GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 did. Also, the fan headers don't fight manual voltage controllers, and most importantly, I like being able to actually boot into Windows. The MSI UEFI might not be as nice as what Asus offers, but at least they have UEFI and it is better than the traditional BIOS (I'm looking at you, Gigabyte).

My only previous experience with MSI was a K7T Turbo2 that was in a build I did for my parents years ago. While it didn't have any issues, it always felt sluggish and slow. I definitely wasn't impressed by MSI's Socket A offering like I was with my Iwill KK266+ at the time. The next build I did for them a few years ago was with a Gigabyte GA-M57SLI-S4 and it's been flawless, which was why I tried Gigabyte this time with my Sandy Bridge build. It will be a long time before I give Gigabyte another shot, but the Z68A-GD65 has changed my mediocre and indifferent opinion of MSI for the better.
I don't know if you care for MATX but this would've been a good choice.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131759
I'm thinking about trying it just to see what the Z68 chipset is all about.
I gave up on Gagabyte back when Pentium-D came out. Very sloppy workmanship and extremely poor help from them and their Forums.
MSI mobo's? IDK. If they're half as good as their video cards then they've gotta be good.
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post #54 of 62
I don't think of MSI as having bad products. Certainly not the greatest where their mobo's are concerned, but far from the worst. Tbh, my UD5 has a substantial load Vdroop. Both on my old 965 (.11-.12), and worse with the 1090 (.18-.19) sitting in the socket now. Whereas my old 890GXM-G65 was rock solid under load with the same 965. It's still running happily in a friends "new to him" system.

Now, I will say that most of the MSi/AMD boards from the last gen should never have been rated to handle Thuban's w/ a 4+1 VRM. It's quite obvious (and should have been to anyone) that the TDP skyrockets when OC'ing. Why everyone expected a 125w 6 core to ultimately have the same maximum current requirements with 2 additional cores over what the boards where originally designed for...Idk.

MSi was in the wrong for not recalling that statement once people started learning the hard way. They should have advised against purchasing the 4+1 boards for a Thuban, but they didn't. However, I have to note that the failure rate with x4 cpu's seems below the average failure rate from every complaint I've seen. Which is funny, because I ran mine at 1.55 Vcore for nearly 6 months, trying to blow it to prove a point. And yet, it still lives.
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What kind of annoys me is that MSI doesn't state exactly how many phases their mobos have anywhere on the box or on their website. I think my P55A-G55 has 4 phases but for all I know it has 3.
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What kind of annoys me is that MSI doesn't state exactly how many phases their mobos have anywhere on the box or on their website. I think my P55A-G55 has 4 phases but for all I know it has 3.
It's got 3+1 from what I can see. my GD80 has 8+2

edit: WHY does the p55 g55 have sata 6gb/s and usb 3 but the gd80 doesn't?
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The only board I really liked is my Xpower, but then are are things about it that make me pull my hair out. Other than that, I try and avoid their boards.
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I don't know if you care for MATX but this would've been a good choice.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131759
I'm thinking about trying it just to see what the Z68 chipset is all about.
I gave up on Gagabyte back when Pentium-D came out. Very sloppy workmanship and extremely poor help from them and their Forums.
MSI mobo's? IDK. If they're half as good as their video cards then they've gotta be good.
That wouldn't have been good for me because I need a PCI slot for my sound card. Other than that though, it looks like a good board. Too bad Micro Center doesn't sell it.
    
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It's got 3+1 from what I can see. my GD80 has 8+2

edit: WHY does the p55 g55 have sata 6gb/s and usb 3 but the gd80 doesn't?
Marvell ports are garbage anyways. They aren't as reliable and other than in sequential writes they are actually slower than the Intel ports. I've had nothing but problems with Marvell ports on my last two boards.

One of the things that I love about my P67 Sabertooth is the ability to turn the Marvell controller off in the bios.
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They're good. Honestly every brand has their bad socket year lol. Like EVGA and the 1156 socket, reviews on newegg aren't so hot unlike their 680i motherboards which were awesome. However my $90 MSI 1156 board took my CPU to 4.1 (and kept it there).
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