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No. he means like for the last ~6 years you run almost any AMD cpu in almost any socket, whether they were high end or low cpus.

Unlike Intel, who makes you pay if you want to swap between platforms.
Doesn't really even matter anyways. You need a new mobo for the new chipset features regardless. I wouldn't want to gimp my new SB on an old chipset that's missing a bunch of features.


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If you believe AMD will catch Intel in IPC in one generation, then you are delusional.

By AMD's own admission, they spend more on graphics than they do on general purpose and the opposite holds true for Intel.
Exactly. For desktops, if I want graphics, I buy a separate graphics card. APUs are for cheap HTPCs and portable devices.
In gaming: Fewer cores with higher IPC > more cores with lower IPC.
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Doesn't really even matter anyways. You need a new mobo for the new chipset features regardless. I wouldn't want to gimp my new SB on an old chipset that's missing a bunch of features.




Exactly. For desktops, if I want graphics, I buy a separate graphics card. APUs are for cheap HTPCs and portable devices.
In gaming: Fewer cores with higher IPC > more cores with lower IPC.
APU's will be for mainstream,SFF & AIO pc's also.
Either one will work fine once games work with more than two cores and efficiently with at least 4 cores.
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It'll still be a year behind...

FX-8xxx will compete with SB-M(2600K) while FX-10xxx will compete with SB-E(3930k).

If you believe AMD will catch Intel in IPC in one generation, then you are delusional.

By AMD's own admission, they spend more on graphics than they do on general purpose and the opposite holds true for Intel.

My rationale is that BD which match Nehalem's IPC, which is still quite good, but will fare better in parallel since it is in fact an eight-core processor. This will put it on par or slightly ahead of Sandy Bridge-M, but behind SB-E.
it is you who is delusional in believing intel will always hold the crown ...


and btw apu's have a major role in the amd future


nobody remember that the bulldozer server cpu will one day have an on die gpu ???



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it is you who is delusional in believing intel will always hold the crown ...


and btw apu's have a major role in the amd future


nobody remember that the bulldozer server cpu will one day have an on die gpu ???


With all the money Intel has,they most definitely will.
AMD's APU is a win win,cheaper for the OEM's to make,better graphics for the consumer.
Those who say it's useless or "I'll just buy a separate card" is a enthusiast and don't realize we only make up 10% or less of the market. The other <90% will benefit from an APU.
Even Intel is improving their graphics.
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With all the money Intel has,they most definitely will.
AMD's APU is a win win,cheaper for the OEM's to make,better graphics for the consumer.
Those who say it's useless or "I'll just buy a separate card" is a enthusiast and don't realize we only make up 10% or less of the market. The other <90% will benefit from an APU.
Even Intel is improving their graphics.
retaining the crown doesnt mean retaining top end performance on a synthetic bench for me ... it means having a big part of the market pie ... to wich they do have today ... but amd will retake alot of it for sure

and btw the apu have many use outside of the oem market ... servers .... desktops etc.... smartphones tablets etc...


amd can deffinatly gain some market in those area and use the money for better R&D for the future ... that is my view
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APU's will be for mainstream,SFF & AIO pc's also.
Either one will work fine once games work with more than two cores and efficiently with at least 4 cores.
BC2 already scales up to 6 threads. BF3 will work even more efficiently. There's a huge difference in BC2 MP between the two chips' IPC.

Sorry, but focusing on mediocre graphics performance in APUs instead of the actual processing performance is bad for desktops.
When I buy a CPU, I buy the best computing power one, not mediocre graphics+mediocre processing one.

Ever heard of the phrase: Jack of all trades, master of none?
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BC2 already scales up to 6 threads. BF3 will work even more efficiently. There's a huge difference in BC2 MP between the two chips' IPC.

Sorry, but focusing on mediocre graphics performance in APUs instead of the actual processing performance is bad for desktops.
When I buy a CPU, I buy the best computing power one, not mediocre graphics+mediocre processing one.

Ever heard of the phrase: Jack of all trades, master of none?
However, remember that the APU isn't necessarily aimed at the performance market. The common consumer is looking for a "jack of all trades," not necessarily the master of one thing.
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It's all about the cores
LOL,nice.
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retaining the crown doesnt mean retaining top end performance on a synthetic bench for me ... it means having a big part of the market pie ... to wich they do have today ... but amd will retake alot of it for sure
and btw the apu have many use outside of the oem market ... servers .... desktops etc.... smartphones tablets etc...
amd can deffinatly gain some market in those area and use the money for better R&D for the future ... that is my view
True,however alot of users(including some on OCN) base performance on synthetic benchmarks. Intel has taken the crown and sort of made a monopoly,ie. as another user said Intel is ripping consumers off with multiple SB chipsets and still raking in the profits.
AMD can adapt an APU for a lot of platforms,but I don't see the APU working in a server unless it is running GPU accelerated programs. AMD would have to regain a huge amount of market share to pay off their debts while investing more R&D at the same time.
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However, remember that the APU isn't necessarily aimed at the performance market. The common consumer is looking for a "jack of all trades," not necessarily the master of one thing.
Exactly. Those in the performance market will be looking for more than what a APU can provide anyway.
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BC2 already scales up to 6 threads. BF3 will work even more efficiently. There's a huge difference in BC2 MP between the two chips' IPC.

Sorry, but focusing on mediocre graphics performance in APUs instead of the actual processing performance is bad for desktops.
When I buy a CPU, I buy the best computing power one, not mediocre graphics+mediocre processing one.

Ever heard of the phrase: Jack of all trades, master of none?
I'd hardly call Llano graphics "medicore",however you've already proved that you don't get the point of Llano. Llano was never designed to run games on high resolution & full detail. Focusing on processing performance instead of graphics is even worse for desktops.
Just because BC2 can use 6 cores doesn't change the fact it's still a for the most part a inefficient console port like most games out there.
Edited by Heavy MG - 7/25/11 at 4:50pm
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