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Amd seems too be getting closer too having some powerful apu's.

I am quite interested too see how these apu's develop.
Edited by djsi38t - 7/25/11 at 8:39pm
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yeah cool 10-core amd cpu's that'll still get owned by a quad-core IB. im no fanboy but maybe AMD should stop throwing more cores at their problems. epeen and nothing else.
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if the next gen consoles use bulldozer then I think games will be optimized better with AMD and can use as many cores
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it is you who is delusional in believing intel will always hold the crown ...
If you think Intel won't always hold the IPC crown then your rationale will also accept that AMD won't always hold the graphics crown. If not then you only expose your bias and aren't really looking to be swayed by objectivity.

Intel was able to bring an APU to the market 14 months before AMD was(Clarkdale) & increase their IGP performance 200% in just one APU generation.

Intel is looking to incorporate PowerVR graphics into Atom which already compete nice with IGPs from both AMD and Intel. The PowerVR6 core is ~ equal to a desktop 8600GTS... Not impressed? The PowerVR6 has just a 1/10th of a watt TDP.

Intel will lead in chip technology by virtue of the fact that they are able to outspend AMD. Conversely, AMD has far more experience, successfully, at making GPUs. Like I said, you're delusional if you think things will change any time soon.

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if the next gen consoles use bulldozer then I think games will be optimized better with AMD and can use as many cores
That's what the discussion is based on on Beyond3D.com(even geekier than OCN). There's a massive 6,700 post thread going on over next-generation technology.

Some posters are claiming that Xbox having an AMD processor gives Microsoft the potential to shut out Sony, considering Sony loves to use esoteric hardware.

Its true... The main hurdle is CPU between platforms. Developing for Xbox and PC will be like Copy/Paste..
Edited by BizzareRide - 7/25/11 at 9:08pm
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yeah cool 10-core amd cpu's that'll still get owned by a quad-core IB. im no fanboy but maybe AMD should stop throwing more cores at their problems. epeen and nothing else.

how do you know that???


sound like fanboy speak ...


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Originally Posted by BizzareRide View Post
If you think Intel won't always hold the IPC crown then your rationale will also accept that AMD won't always hold the graphics crown. If not then you only expose your bias and aren't really looking to be swayed by objectivity.

Intel was able to bring an APU to the market 14 months before AMD was(Clarkdale) & increase their IGP performance 200% in just one APU generation.

Intel is looking to incorporate PowerVR graphics into Atom which already compete nice with IGPs from both AMD and Intel. The PowerVR6 core is ~ equal to a desktop 8600GTS... Not impressed? The PowerVR6 has just a 1/10th of a watt TDP.

Intel will lead in chip technology by virtue of the fact that they are able to outspend AMD. Conversely, AMD has far more experience, successfully, at making GPUs. Like I said, you're delusional if you think things will change any time soon.



That's what the discussion is based on on Beyond3D.com(even geekier than OCN). There's a massive 6,700 post thread going on over next-generation technology.

Some posters are claiming that Xbox having an AMD processor gives Microsoft the potential to shut out Sony, considering Sony loves to use esoteric hardware.

Its true... The main hurdle is CPU between platforms. Developing for Xbox and PC will be like Copy/Paste..

yes i do accept that amd can lose the performance crown for gpu and the same with cpu's ... and the same goes for nvidia and intel ... nothing stays in place ...


but i doubt you can even fathom a day that intel would lose the performance lead judging by the way you write around our forum ...
Edited by Fr0sty - 7/25/11 at 9:25pm
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That's like saying 640K of memory should be enough for anybody. I'm sorry but, just because traditional disc drivers are slow, doesn't mean you should be forced to stick with something slower when the better product is the same price...
My point exactly. People shouldn't be stuck with Intel IGP when something much better is available from AMD at the same price. That argument works both ways.


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1. Well, as an example, my friend has a Core 2 Duo MBA, and I just got a SB i5 MBA, the difference is astonishing, programs launch faster, OS X and Win 7 boot faster, encoding takes less time, processing is faster (in Word, in Photoshop, in Aperture, and virtually EVERY other program), and the whole computer is snappier. Now, the Core 2 generation has a similar single threaded performance when compared to Phenom IIs, and as you can see a faster processor makes a huge difference, even for the average consumer.

2. AMD's APUs although impressive, will not change much; an Intel SB i3 + a GT 525M is offered at the same price as the A8 Llano, and walks all over it, same with the A6 (which is only slightly cheaper).

3. Also, most people favor a stronger processor to a better GPU. Simply compare the large amount of office workers, businessmen, and multimedia encoders [people who specifically need CPU power] to the limited amount of PC gamers [group where GPU power is more important]. You'll see that for the vast majority of people Intel HD 3000 is more than enough, and that gamers on a budget are essentially the only people directly benefiting from Llano.
1. This is debatable. It is really a perception thing. You know SB is faster so you perceive it as so. Before accepting that as fact, I would need to see several accounts of average (i.e. people who know nothing about the inner workings of computers or Intel/AMD product lines) customers come to the same conclusion. Most of the time I can "feel" little difference (in normal word processing, net surfing, etc) between my sig rig and my box at work... and that work box is a old gen dual core P4.

2. Got a source on that? Reviews I have seen show that Llano is ahead of SB+NV up until the point that the later costs a couple hundred more and draws much more power

3. APUs are more geared for the future when GPU acceleration is more mainstream. Right now the better CPU may make a small difference (see 1.), but AMD is betting that the situation will not remain the same. As none of us own a crystal ball we will just have to wait and see who is right.
Edited by JCPUser - 7/25/11 at 9:51pm
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yes i do accept that amd can lose the performance crown for gpu and the same with cpu's ... and the same goes for nvidia and intel ... nothing stays in place ...

but i doubt you can even fathom a day that intel would lose the performance lead judging by the way you write around our forum ...
The comparison between AMD and NVidia is a flawed. One does not dominate the other in terms of resources at their disposal. Not the case with AMD and Intel in the CPU market.

Here's why it's not likely that AMD will catch up to Intel in IPC anytime soon:
(Notice I said not LIKELY instead of impossible).

---------------
AMD:
Revenue US$ 6.494 billion (2010)
Operating income US$ 848 million (2010)
Net income US$ 471 million (2010)
Total assets US$ 4.964 billion (2010)
Total equity US$ 1.013 billion (2010)
Employees11,100 (2010)

Intel:
Revenue US$ 43.623 billion (2010)
Operating income US$ 16.045 billion (2010)
Net income US$ 11.464 billion (2010)
Total assets US$ 63.186 billion (2010)
Total equity US$ 49.430 billion (2010)
Employees82,500 (2010)
-----------------


With such a big gap, it would take more than a new architecture for AMD to regain the performance lead. It will take a monumental failure from Intel at the same time (e.g. their decision to develop Netburst instead of the PIII architecture).
Edited by 996gt2 - 7/25/11 at 9:58pm
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Where is PCI Express x16 3.0? All those core increase but lacking PCI-E 3.0 :/
I would ask why, but it's OCN...so yeah, where's the stuff we don't "really" need yet? lol

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That is what happens when you are second best . If you can't innovate, keep compatibility .
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The comparison between AMD and NVidia is a flawed. One does not dominate the other in terms of resources at their disposal. Not the case with AMD and Intel in the CPU market.

Here's why it's not likely that AMD will catch up to Intel in IPC anytime soon:
(Notice I said not LIKELY instead of impossible).

---------------
AMD:
Revenue US$ 6.494 billion (2010)
Operating income US$ 848 million (2010)
Net income US$ 471 million (2010)
Total assets US$ 4.964 billion (2010)
Total equity US$ 1.013 billion (2010)
Employees11,100 (2010)

Intel:
Revenue US$ 43.623 billion (2010)
Operating income US$ 16.045 billion (2010)
Net income US$ 11.464 billion (2010)
Total assets US$ 63.186 billion (2010)
Total equity US$ 49.430 billion (2010)
Employees82,500 (2010)
-----------------


With such a big gap, it would take more than a new architecture for AMD to regain the performance lead. It will take a monumental failure from Intel at the same time (e.g. their decision to develop Netburst instead of the PIII architecture).

everything revolves around intel ...
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everything revolves around intel ...
AMD had the performance lead with Athlon 64 because of Intel's ill-fated decision to continue developing the Netburst architecture.

At the time, Intel had a very competitive architecture on their hands in the form of Pentium M and later Core Duo, which were developed from the PIII lineage. Feel free to look up the benchmarks: Pentium M and Core Duo (not Core 2 Duo) had higher IPC than the Athlon 64s and Athlon X2s of the same era.
So it's not that Intel didn't have something in their hands that could compete with A64. Rather, they made the error of not developing their Pentium M architecture into the desktop space and instead trudged on with Netburst.

Now the tables have turned. AMD has been slowly evolving the Athlon 64 architecture for the last 6 years. They're the ones doing what Intel did back in the Pentium 4 era. Phenom I was a huge failure. Phenom II barely caught up with the Core 2 architecture that was 3 years old at the time of Phenom II's release. AMD's most recent Phenom II X4(the 980) is just another speed bump @ 3.7 GHz. Remind you of Pentium 4 at all?

The difference between AMD and Intel is that Intel has huge amounts of resources at their disposal. They can afford to make a mistake and still recover.

When the real BD benchmarks come out in a few months, we'll see how it really performs.

But a few things prevent me from believing that Bulldozer will be some miracle that totally crushes Sandy Bridge.

The biggest point is the importance of clock speeds. Bulldozer was delayed because it could not clock high enough to be competitive with Sandy Bridge.

From Xbitlabs:
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Early this week it turned out that AMD had advised its partners that its next-generation high-performance desktop chips would only be launched in September. Apparently, the currently available B0 and B1 stepping Zambezi/Bulldozer processors can function at around 2.50GHz/3.50GHz (nominal/turbo) clock-speeds and at such frequencies they cannot deliver performance AMD considers competitive, a person with knowledge of the situation said on Monday.
This alone does not bode well for Bulldozer's IPC. In addition, Sandy Bridge has lots of headroom to go up to 4+ GHz, so if a Bulldozer chip is competitive with a stock 2600K, it's incredibly easy for Intel to release a 4 GHz or even 4.5 GHz Sandy Bridge quad core without much additional spending on their part.
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