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whats that mean for gamers like me that don't need a 8core
Then why do "gamers" buy i7's ? Since all you need is 4 threads ... right ?
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sigh..... when will they learn that more cores =/= faster processor.
Who needs a faster processor..?

I need one that handles many different things, at once.. as my spread sheets work equally fast on Intel & AMD.



Explain ur need for faster Processor, plz.. As "faster" =/= more. We are at a stage where people need their computer to do more for them. What home owner (over the last 5 years) has had an unfast computer where basic programs are slow?

Photoshop? Office?
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Overclocks =/= efficiency ??
What?

Exactly. Nehalem IPC is still more than enough,which makes a 8 core BD with the performance of a i7 (possible 980X or more speed?) more appealing than a 4 core SB. AMD needs to come back to keep innovation going,Intel is basically ripping off consumers by only giving a small bump in performance while forcing new chipsets with each new chip. 1156 lasted like a year?
Lynnfield was released in September of 08 and sandy bridge was released in january of this year giving 1156 a 2 plus years life.

How is intel ripping us off? Last time I checked they weren't the ones taking two years to develop a new processor and just releasing higher clocked phenoms to pass the time.
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Originally Posted by Mit Namso View Post
whats that mean for gamers like me that don't need a 8core
Possibly better game performance,the CPU has to run more than just the game,the OS and other tasks in the background are still using the CPU.
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Lynnfield was released in September of 08 and sandy bridge was released in january of this year giving 1156 a 2 plus years life.

How is intel ripping us off? Last time I checked they weren't the ones taking two years to develop a new processor and just releasing higher clocked phenoms to pass the time.
Intel's ant-trust,and AMD's acquisition of ATI are to blame,but AMD's buying up ATI probably saved their butt in the long run.
R&D for a new processor takes piles of money. We both know that Intel has a lot more money to spend than AMD.
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Who needs a faster processor..?
I need one that handles many different things, at once.. as my spread sheets work equally fast on Intel & AMD.
Explain ur need for faster Processor, plz.. As "faster" =/= more. We are at a stage where people need their computer to do more for them. What home owner (over the last 5 years) has had an unfast computer where basic programs are slow?
Photoshop? Office?
Exactly. Unless you're encoding,gaming,or folding,there will be a need for more cores. Let's just hope that BD is faster while delivering more cores.
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Overclocks =/= efficiency ??
What?

Exactly. Nehalem IPC is still more than enough,which makes a 8 core BD with the performance of a i7 (possible 980X or more speed?) more appealing than a 4 core SB. AMD needs to come back to keep innovation going,Intel is basically ripping off consumers by only giving a small bump in performance while forcing new chipsets with each new chip. 1156 lasted like a year?
Sandy Bridge has a 15% IPC advantage over Nehalem. I'd hardly call that small. In addition, SB can clock much higher than Nehalem. How many 4.2+ GHz Socket 1156/1366 quads to you see? Now compare that to the clocks of SB quads and you'll see many of them are pushing close to 5 GHz for 24/7 use.

Socket 1156 has had a ~2 year lifespan, but tbh if you have a socket 1156 processor today it's still faster than everything out there (except Sandy Bridge). So it's far from obsolete.

When I built my AM2 system in 2007, it was advertised that the initial AM2 would support Phenom and later AM2+ CPUs. Well, my board (and many other early AM2 boards) didn't support anything besides Athlon 64s and Athlon X2s.

And while we're on the subject of socket compatibility, Intel kept the LGA775 socket around for close to 5 years. If you bought a Q6600 for its retail price of $266 back in mid 2007 and overclocked it slightly to 3 or 3.2 GHz, you'd still have a CPU that's competitive with today's AMD's Phenom II X4s. How's that for system lifespan?
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Sandy Bridge has a 15% IPC advantage over Nehalem. I'd hardly call that small. In addition, SB can clock much higher than Nehalem. How many 4.2+ GHz Socket 1156/1366 quads to you see? Now compare that to the clocks of SB quads and you'll see many of them are pushing close to 5 GHz for 24/7 use.

Socket 1156 has had a ~2 year lifespan, but tbh if you have a socket 1156 processor today it's still faster than everything out there (except Sandy Bridge). So it's far from obsolete.

When I built my AM2 system in 2007, it was advertised that the initial AM2 would support Phenom and later AM2+ CPUs. Well, my board (and many other early AM2 boards) didn't support anything besides Athlon 64s and Athlon X2s.

And while we're on the subject of socket compatibility, Intel kept the LGA775 socket around for close to 5 years. If you bought a Q6600 for its retail price of $266 back in mid 2007 and overclocked it slightly to 3 or 3.2 GHz, you'd still have a CPU that's competitive with today's AMD's Phenom II X4s. How's that for system lifespan?
You won't see much of a difference in real world use until you compare benchmarks.
Clock for clock Nehalem is still faster,4ghz for a 980X,5Ghz for a 2600K (despite the 980X having 2 more cores) to achieve similar scores. 1366 was a better choice than 1156.
Intel kept LGA775 around so long because competition was almost non-existent. Certain AM2 boards supposedly ran Phenom I processors,however most actually couldn't because because of TDP,or no BIOS updates. AMD screwed up and the AM2 socket was short lived,you would have been better off waiting for AM2+ which even supports newer Phenom II processors.
How many 5Ghz SB chips to do you see? Because you see some on OCN achieve 5GHz,doesn't mean that many are. Only the golden chips can go that high,otherwise most are only hitting 4.5.
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You won't see much of a difference in real world use until you compare benchmarks.
Clock for clock Nehalem is still faster,4ghz for a 980X,5Ghz for a 2600K (despite the 980X having 2 more cores) to achieve similar scores. 1366 was a better choice than 1156.
Intel kept LGA775 around so long because competition was almost non-existent.
How many 5Ghz SB chips to do you see? Because you see some on OCN achieve 5GHz,doesn't mean that many are. Only the golden chips can go that high,otherwise most are only hitting 4.5.
There is no point in pushing our chips to 5Ghz for daily tasks as at 4Ghz everything runs perfectly.
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You won't see much of a difference in real world use until you compare benchmarks.
Clock for clock Nehalem is still faster,4ghz for a 980X,5Ghz for a 2600K (despite the 980X having 2 more cores) to achieve similar scores. 1366 was a better choice than 1156.
Intel kept LGA775 around so long because competition was almost non-existent.
How many 5Ghz SB chips to do you see? Because you see some on OCN achieve 5GHz,doesn't mean that many are. Only the golden chips can go that high,otherwise most are only hitting 4.5.
Most 2500Ks and 2600Ks can do 4.5 GHz at 1.35V or less. In fact most of them will do 4.8 @ around 1.4V before they hit a "hard wall" in terms of voltage needed for higher clocks.

For Nehalem, that wall is much lower, around 4 or 4.2 GHz. 4.5 GHz on a Nehalem/Westmere is very rarely seen, and when it is it's usually on water cooling. Compare that to Sandy Bridge:

From Anandtech's Review:
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These chips overclock very well. Both my Core i5-2500K and Core i7-2600K hit ~4.4GHz, fully stable, using the stock low-profile cooler.
FYI this is what a Sandy Bridge's stock cooler looks like. It's hardly 1 inch tall.

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Sandy Bridge has a 15% IPC advantage over Nehalem. I'd hardly call that small. In addition, SB can clock much higher than Nehalem. How many 4.2+ GHz Socket 1156/1366 quads to you see? Now compare that to the clocks of SB quads and you'll see many of them are pushing close to 5 GHz for 24/7 use.

Socket 1156 has had a ~2 year lifespan, but tbh if you have a socket 1156 processor today it's still faster than everything out there (except Sandy Bridge). So it's far from obsolete.

My friend, u are lost in technical gibberish, when underlying logic needs to prevail.


"Faster" is on the way out dude... homeowner don't need speed, the need unfettered multiplicity.

Intel is great for high-end stuff where cost/performance is critical and necessary (I use Intel exclusively at work). What most Intel 'fanboys" don't grasp, is the same thing with the BAPCo deal... artificial is just that. Everyday work isn't speed, it unfettered use.

Most of the people who tout Intel, do so because of their ego, not reality. All they r doing, is perpetrating Intel's marketing, of server chips onto the general populace... (Intel designs high-end server chips, then as a one-off revenue scheme, markets the same chips to home owners, via BAPCo.)

Nearly 100% of home user don't care, don't need Intel chips. They want them for their own persona. It ignorance that fuels this argument. Most here do not even acknoweldge what a computer system is.. and that money saved can be spent elsewhere to balance your system.

AMD Systems come with a free SSD (is the way I think of it).



What retard is going to go on & on about an i7... when it too powerful for what he is using it for anyways. And if they truly need more, does that same retard no understand, his needs do not mimic the general population, but a very small sub-set of Enthusiast/OC'r ..?

More people will be using fusion day-to-day, than Intel in just 3 years time. Heuristics predict this.
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My friend, u are lost in technical gibberish, when underlying logic needs to prevail.

"Faster" is on the way out dude... homeowner don't need speed, the need unfettered multiplicity.

Intel is great for high-end stuff where cost/performance is critical and necessary (I use Intel exclusively at work). What most Intel 'fanboys" don't grasp, is the same thing with the BAPCo deal... artificial is just that. Everyday work isn't speed, it unfettered use.

Most of the people who tout Intel, do so because of their ego, not reality. All they r doing, is perpetrating Intel's marketing, of server chips onto the general populace... (Intel designs high-end server chips, then as a one-off revenue scheme, markets the same chips to home owners, via BAPCo.)

Nearly 100% of home user don't care, don't need Intel chips. They want them for their own persona. It ignorance that fuels this argument. Most here do not even acknoweldge what a computer system is.. and that money saved can be spent elsewhere to balance your system.

AMD Systems come with a free SSD (is the way I think of it).

What retard is going to go on & on about an i7... when it too powerful for what he is using it for anyways. And if they truly need more, does that same retard no understand, his needs do not mimic the general population, but a very small sub-set of Enthusiast/OC'r ..?

More people will be using fusion day-to-day, than Intel in just 3 years time. Heuristics predict this.
Who are you to know what other people "need" in a computer? Some people make money with their computers, you know. Some of us don't worry about having the cheapest system possible. Some of us have enough money for a Core i5/i7 and an SSD. After all, this is OCN, an enthusiast forum.

For the record, I do a ton of photo editing and video work. For the last wedding I photographed, I put over 2000 images through Photoshop and Lightroom. My 2500K does it faster than an AMD system can. Time=money. That's why I went with Intel.
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