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This is kind of a funny phenomenon to watch; this is exactly like all the arguments that occurred when AMD put out the first desktop dual core.

Technology always leads programming, there has to be a reason for a programmer to change the way he creates his programs. The argument that nothing uses 8 cores now is fairly weak in my opinion.

I see nothing but good coming from pushing core counts.
Edited by SectorNine50 - 7/26/11 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by 996gt2 View Post
Who are you to know what other people "need" in a computer? Some people make money with their computers, you know. Some of us don't worry about having the cheapest system possible. Some of us have enough money for a Core i5/i7 and an SSD. After all, this is OCN, an enthusiast forum.
For the record, I do a ton of photo editing and video work. For the last wedding I photographed, I put over 2000 images through Photoshop and Lightroom. My 2500K does it faster than an AMD system can. Time=money. That's why I went with Intel.
You saved like what, 2 minutes?
Not everyone can afford a Core i7+ a expensive board+ an SSD,most do not need an i5/i7 with an SSD anyway.
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Originally Posted by SectorNine50 View Post
This is kind of a funny phenomenon to watch; this is exactly like all the arguments that occurred when AMD put out the first desktop dual core.
Technology always leads programming, there has to be a reason for a programmer to change the way he creates his programs. The argument that nothing uses 8 cores now is fairly weak in my opinion.
I see nothing but good coming from pushing core counts.
I agree,however look how long it has taken for programmers to to make software work with 4 cores.

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My friend, u are lost in technical gibberish, when underlying logic needs to prevail.
"Faster" is on the way out dude... homeowner don't need speed, the need unfettered multiplicity.
Intel is great for high-end stuff where cost/performance is critical and necessary (I use Intel exclusively at work). What most Intel 'fanboys" don't grasp, is the same thing with the BAPCo deal... artificial is just that. Everyday work isn't speed, it unfettered use.
Most of the people who tout Intel, do so because of their ego, not reality. All they r doing, is perpetrating Intel's marketing, of server chips onto the general populace... (Intel designs high-end server chips, then as a one-off revenue scheme, markets the same chips to home owners, via BAPCo.)
Nearly 100% of home user don't care, don't need Intel chips. They want them for their own persona. It ignorance that fuels this argument. Most here do not even acknoweldge what a computer system is.. and that money saved can be spent elsewhere to balance your system.
AMD Systems come with a free SSD (is the way I think of it).
What retard is going to go on & on about an i7... when it too powerful for what he is using it for anyways. And if they truly need more, does that same retard no understand, his needs do not mimic the general population, but a very small sub-set of Enthusiast/OC'r ..?
More people will be using fusion day-to-day, than Intel in just 3 years time. Heuristics predict this.
If you use Intel at work, why not at home? You do have a point with the skewed optimized one sided synthetic benchmarks,it makes people buy much more than they actually need,but they're gonna buy Intel anyway because it's Intel. It's kinda a sort of a bragging right or brand symbol like Nike and Coke.
AMD also manufactures sever processors and designs their home consumer CPU's based on the server chips. The money I saved by going with AMD at the time allowed me to get a SSD. Anything more than a core2duo would be overkill for most of the general population,but then again people are doing more with their PC's.
Users need a balance of CPU and graphics power,Intel usually upsets the balance with too much CPU power,and not enough GPU power.
Where did you find the prediction that Fusion will overtake sales of Intel CPU in 3 years?
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Spot on. I also cover events and weddings. This was a deciding factor for me to purchase my two I7 rigs when they came out. Some people ignore the fact that wallet size is not standard. What yanks my chain is the perpetual argument that we spent too much on INTEL and we should have gone AMD. At the end of the day, I do what I want with the money I earn. Who gives all these people on OCN the right to tell me otherwise?
When you need your computer to make a living you can buy a SR-2 and put dual max OC'd Xeons in there with tri SLI GTX 580's and SSD's in RAID if you wanted to. No one told you to buy brand x over brand y,we're just saying the average home user doesn't need all of that power.
However wallet size is indeed not standard,not everyone can justify the need for a i7.
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Who are you to know what other people "need" in a computer? Some people make money with their computers, you know. Some of us don't worry about having the cheapest system possible. Some of us have enough money for a Core i5/i7 and an SSD. After all, this is OCN, an enthusiast forum.

For the record, I do a ton of photo editing and video work. For the last wedding I photographed, I put over 2000 images through Photoshop and Lightroom. My 2500K does it faster than an AMD system can. Time=money. That's why I went with Intel.

Spot on. I also cover events and weddings. This was a deciding factor for me to purchase my two I7 rigs when they came out. Some people ignore the fact that wallet size is not standard. What yanks my chain is the perpetual argument that we spent too much on INTEL and we should have gone AMD. At the end of the day, I do what I want with the money I earn. Who gives all these people on OCN the right to tell me otherwise?
 
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Who are you to know what other people "need" in a computer? Some people make money with their computers, you know. Some of us don't worry about having the cheapest system possible. Some of us have enough money for a Core i5/i7 and an SSD. After all, this is OCN, an enthusiast forum.

For the record, I do a ton of photo editing and video work. For the last wedding I photographed, I put over 2000 images through Photoshop and Lightroom. My 2500K does it faster than an AMD system can. Time=money. That's why I went with Intel.
Again, reading is ur friend. If you have a specific need, and/or use of computers power for income.. then u are not the general populace.

I have need of Intel @ work, I luagh at the idea for home.


I prefaced all that^ in my last post. Along with the idea of even if u have money, there is no need to spend it foolishly & that sometimes ego overrides need. And in a good many cases here.. people tout intel based off of non-need. Just a want.

If u have a need, why respond? Just build a 2nd machine n double ur income. (Ur metrics, not mine)

Because "some people have money".. uno..?
Edited by formula m - 7/26/11 at 12:50pm
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Again, reading is ur friend. If you have a specific need, and/or use of computers power for income.. then u are not the general populace.

I have need of Intel @ work, I luagh at the idea for home.


I prefaced all that^ in my last post. Along with the idea of even if u have money, there is no need to spend it foolishly & that sometimes ego overrides need. And in a good many cases here.. people tout intel based off of non-need. Just a want.

If u have a need, why respond? Just build a 2nd machine n double ur income. (Ur metrics, not mine)

Because "some people have money".. uno..?
Yes, most people probably will end up using an AMD Fusion APU (unless Intel starts with their anti-competitive tactics again...). However, two things:

1) This thread is about the FX CPUs, not APUs
2) This is OCN, no one cares about the needs of most people
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I agree,however look how long it has taken for programmers to to make software work with 4 cores.
While true, I think the reason behind this was the frequency race at the time. Everyone figured that chips would just keep getting faster, as opposed to being able to multi-task.

If you really step back and look at the quad core uptake, until the past 2 years, there really were not that many people that had quad cores. I remember when I bought my dual core when I went to college, and oh-my did I think it was the best thing since sliced bread (and it was priced like it, too!).

During that time, the economy class computers were all still single cores. The masses hadn't caught up to us performance monger's yet.

We are in a transitional period, the way I see it. The ball has finally started rolling into the multi-threading direction and is gaining speed rapidly. Just like anything, the hardest part is re-directing the momentum in a different direction. After that, acceleration comes easy.

Programmers now know that core counts are getting high, and they know that if they are to future proof their new programs, the more parallel they are, the better. The momentum has shifted, and I'm excited.
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Socket 1156 has had a ~2 year lifespan, but tbh if you have a socket 1156 processor today it's still faster than everything out there (except Sandy Bridge). So it's far from obsolete.

When I built my AM2 system in 2007, it was advertised that the initial AM2 would support Phenom and later AM2+ CPUs. Well, my board (and many other early AM2 boards) didn't support anything besides Athlon 64s and Athlon X2s.
You should've bought an M2N32SLI deluxe.

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There is no point in pushing our chips to 5Ghz for daily tasks as at 4Ghz everything runs perfectly.
Exactly, they do on the Athlon II x2 250 @3Ghz in my HTPC as well, no one NEEDS the power for everday.
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Quite good? Bulldozer will be an auto win for AMD if they can match Nehalems IPC. A 2600K wouldn't even be worth considering (if the rumored prices are true).
From what I read, the prices are $319 just like the 2600k.

If it only matches Nehalem's IPC and comes in at a lower price point, the 2600k would still command a premium over it.

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Intel isn't exactly putting everything they have into making better desktop chips though, are they? It makes sense for them to make small leaps while there is no/or little competition. AMD has a clear chance of coming back IMO.
Where will AMD get the funds to research and develop? Unless they can outspend Intel, I don't see them gaining the IPC crown.

I've even heard people on here claim that AMD's engineers are better than Intel's... It was, quite frankly, the most retarded thing I've ever read on here.
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From what I read, the prices are $319 just like the 2600k.

If it only matches Nehalem's IPC and comes in at a lower price point, the 2600k would still command a premium over it.



Where will AMD get the funds to research and develop? Unless they can outspend Intel, I don't see them gaining the IPC crown.

I've even heard people on here claim that AMD's engineers are better than Intel's... It was, quite frankly, the most retarded thing I've ever read on here.

money is better than brain power???
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Funny how many users here "know" what others need and don't need. If YOU are ok with Fusion, then by all means be my guest and buy that. Just don't tell me that it's all I need, because it's not.
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