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Originally Posted by Fr0sty;14368783 
money is better than brain power???

It's Intel so of course they're always better. /sarcasm
Lol,who was first to market with a 1Ghz CPU,a true dual core CPU,a true quad core CPU,64 bit processing,on die memory controller,CPU with a real on die GPU,etc.? AMD.
Edited by Heavy MG - 7/27/11 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by Heavy MG;14369424 
It's Intel so of course they're always better. /sarcasm
Lol,who was first to market with a 1Ghz CPU,a true dual core CPU,a true quad core CPU,64 bit processing,on die memory controller,CPU with a real on die GPU,etc.? AMD.

bingo biggrin.gif


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Wow, you AMD fanboys really need to your research before you start touting AMD as the holy grail.

I'm going to break down your post point by point with the facts. Get ready.
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Originally Posted by Heavy MG;14369424 
It's Intel so of course they're always better. /sarcasm
Lol,who was first to market with a 1Ghz CPU.

This is a highly debated topic. AMD "announced" a 1 GHz Athlon before Intel announced the 1 GHz Pentium III, but Intel contends that they shipped production 1 GHz P3s before AMD. Who really did it first is up to debate, and in any case, the difference in timespan was a few days. Hardly enough to matter.

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/desktop-hardware/2000/03/09/1-ghz-intel-claims-it-was-first-2077579/
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a true dual core CPU,a true quad core CPU

First true dual core CPU: IBM Power4, introduced in 2001

First true quad core? Again, definitely not AMD. IBM and other companies had >4 cores processors way before the original Phenom was introduced. Heck, NVidia's GeForce 9 series had 8 cores with 16 stream processors in each core, and that was also introduced before the original Phenom.

Now, if you're trying to claim the original Phenom was the first true quad-core, I ask you: how is that a noteworthy achievement? The Phenom was an anemic failure of a processor that was far behind the Core 2 Quad, which came out a year earlier. Who really cares that the first Phenom was a "native" quad core when it lagged so far behind Core 2 Quad in every benchmark? Even Phenom II falls behind the now old Core 2 architecture in IPC.

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Originally Posted by Heavy MG;14369424 
64 bit processing

Again, not AMD. Intel's Itanium and IBM's Power4 supported 64 bit processing even before 2001.
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Originally Posted by Heavy MG;14369424 
on die memory controller

Again, not AMD. The HP PA-7100LC had an on-die memory controller and was on the market in 1994, a decade before the first K8 was introduced.

In any case, Intel has shown that an on-die memory controller is not necessary for high performance. The Core 2 architecture lacks an IMC and is much higher performing than K8 and the later Phenom architectures.

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CPU with a real on die GPU,etc.? AMD.

Again, AMD was not first here. NVidia's Tegra combined CPU/GPU/Northbridge/Southbridge/Memory controller onto a single package and was introduced in 2008, 3 years before Bobcat or Llano.
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It's Intel so of course they're always better. /sarcasm
Lol,who was first to market with a 1Ghz CPU,a true dual core CPU,a true quad core CPU,64 bit processing,on die memory controller,CPU with a real on die GPU,etc.? AMD.

sorry to play devil's advocate, but did it really matter that Intel's first dual & quad cores were actually 2 separate dies? Nobody outside of AMD's marketing department gave a damn - the reality was Intel gave us multiple cores first.

And didn't Intel beat AMD to the market with combined CPU/GPUs as well?

The 1GHz race was really a matter of semantics as to who won - depending on your criteria you could give it to either company as 1 shipped to OEMs first but the other got the computers to customers first.

And technically Intel beat AMD to 64-bit too - just not in the desktop market...
post #205 of 352
the powervr gpu isnt developed by intel ... so no its not intel's own baby ...


ibm power4 did it ever got into desktops???


did amd built their imc on die before intel??? yes


this point was to show amd can excel at brain power even if they dont have all the money intel has...
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Originally Posted by Fr0sty;14369753 
this point was to show amd can excel at brain power even if they dont have all the money intel has...

Funny, with all that "brain power" you would think AMD could launch Bulldozer as they originally announced...in 2009

Oh wait, but then they delayed it to 2010.

...and then it was Q1 2011.

Then it was Q2 2011.

Then it was Q3 2011.

Get back to me when real benchmarks of the FX Forever Edition comes out tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by 996gt2;14370014 
Funny, with all that "brain power" you would think AMD could launch Bulldozer as they originally announced...in 2009

Oh wait, but then they delayed it to 2010.

...and then it was Q1 2011.

Then it was Q2 2011.

Then it was Q3 2011.

Get back to me when real benchmarks of the FX Forever Edition comes out tongue.gif


i hope you dont intend to not sound like a fanboy with post like these .... because you failed

and btw ... amd doesnt own their fabs .. and bulldozer back in 09 isnt the same as bulldozer in 2011
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Originally Posted by Fr0sty;14370232 
i hope you dont intend to not sound like a fanboy with post like these .... because you failed

this coming from you...ha. ha. ha.
applaud.gif

It's ok, I know it's only human nature to favor the underdog.

Either way, get back to me when the real benchmarks for the FX Forever Edition come out.

Now, off to get some work done on my 2500K.
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this coming from you...ha. ha. ha.

applaud.gif

Off to get some work done on my 2500K.


what an unexpected response
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Wow, you AMD fanboys really need to your research before you start touting AMD as the holy grail.

I'm going to break down your post point by point with the facts. Get ready.



This is a highly debated topic. AMD "announced" a 1 GHz Athlon before Intel announced the 1 GHz Pentium III, but Intel contends that they shipped production 1 GHz P3s before AMD. Who really did it first is up to debate, and in any case, the difference in timespan was a few days. Hardly enough to matter.

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/desktop-hardware/2000/03/09/1-ghz-intel-claims-it-was-first-2077579/

This is true.
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First true dual core CPU: IBM Power4, introduced in 2001

That was a server CPU... unless the PowerPC dual-cores also came before AMD's and Intel's, but that I'm not sure about
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First true quad core? Again, definitely not AMD. IBM and other companies had >4 cores processors way before the original Phenom was introduced. Heck, NVidia's GeForce 9 series had 8 cores with 16 stream processors in each core, and that was also introduced before the original Phenom.

Again, server CPUs. And graphics cards? Really?
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Now, if you're trying to claim the original Phenom was the first true quad-core, I ask you: how is that a noteworthy achievement? The Phenom was an anemic failure of a processor that was far behind the Core 2 Quad, which came out a year earlier. Who really cares that the first Phenom was a "native" quad core when it lagged so far behind Core 2 Quad in every benchmark? Even Phenom II falls behind the now old Core 2 architecture in IPC.

This is true.
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Again, not AMD. Intel's Itanium and IBM's Power4 supported 64 bit processing even before 2001.

Itanium uses IA-64, not x86-64. IA-64 was fail.

Power4 was a server architecture. However, as with the dual-core topic, I am uncertain if 64-bit PowerPC CPUs came before the Athlon 64.
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Again, not AMD. The HP PA-7100LC had an on-die memory controller and was on the market in 1994, a decade before the first K8 was introduced.

In any case, Intel has shown that an on-die memory controller is not necessary for high performance. The Core 2 architecture lacks an IMC and is much higher performing than K8 and the later Phenom architectures.

This is true.
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Again, AMD was not first here. NVidia's Tegra combined CPU/GPU/Northbridge/Southbridge/Memory controller onto a single package and was introduced in 2008, 3 years before Bobcat or Llano.

Please don't bring a smartphone SoC into this...
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