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Barcelona wasn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be. The Phenom 9650 is just as fast as the Q6600. But the 9650 can't even dream of overclocking as well... and that was its only problem at the time.
I have to disagree here. Part of the problem here is that the Phenom 9650 is a revised version of the original Phenom, which came out 4 months after Phenom initially came out and almost 1.5 years after Core 2 Quad. The original Phenoms were even less competitive and also suffered from the TLB bug. In some cases, the original Phenoms were slower than AMD's earlier Athlon X2!

Even with the additional revisions over the initial Phenoms, the Phenom 9650 was not competitive with a Q6600. Even the faster clocked 9850 was not competitive:

















And for all the lackluster performance, power comsumption was worse than Core 2 Quad as well:














Heck, if you really want to compare, even the Phenom II X4 910 @ 2.6 GHz with 2MB L2 and 6 MB L3 is barely breaking even with a Core 2 Quad Q6600 that's clocked 200 MHz slower. Clock for clock, Phenom II is still slower than even the early Core 2 Quads like the Q6600.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/85?vs=53
Edited by 996gt2 - 7/28/11 at 9:38am
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I have to disagree here. Part of the problem here is that the Phenom 9650 is a revised version of the original Phenom, which came out 4 months after Phenom initially came out and almost 1.5 years after Core 2 Quad. The original Phenoms were even less competitive and also suffered from the TLB bug. In some cases, the original Phenoms were slower than AMD's earlier Athlon X2!

Even with the additional revisions over the initial Phenoms, the Phenom 9650 was not competitive with a Q6600. Even the faster clocked 9850 was not competitive:

















And for all the lackluster performance, power comsumption was worse than Core 2 Quad as well:














Heck, if you really want to compare, even the Phenom II X4 910 @ 2.6 GHz with 2MB L2 and 6 MB L3 is barely breaking even with a Core 2 Quad Q6600 that's clocked 200 MHz slower. Clock for clock, Phenom II is still slower than even the early Core 2 Quads like the Q6600.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/85?vs=53


What does any of that^ have to do with a 10-core CPUs ..?


You cling to an outdated idea of yester-year. Start benchmarking your OS and leave BAPCo alone. (You'll poke your eye out)
post #243 of 352
Meh..... amd!

Try improving architecture instead of adding more cores! 170w TDP anyone

Improve architecture atleast upto intel's current level then add 10 cores, Now were talking
Edited by Chewy - 7/28/11 at 10:18am
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Meh..... amd!

Try improving architecture instead of adding more cores! 170w TDP anyone

Improve architecture atleast upto intel's current level then add 10 cores, Now were talking
The architecture is improved... The TDP is 125W on the top-end Bulldozer...
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Meh..... amd!

Try improving architecture instead of adding more cores! 170w TDP anyone

Improve architecture atleast upto intel's current level then add 10 cores, Now were talking
Typical ignorant fanboy^ ..?

I'm not biased with either archetecture, I use both. But at least I am an informed (& educated) consumer.
post #246 of 352
Well even if it *only* matches nehalem, it's a clear winner. Anyone denying this fact is just a plain fanboy.
And please, don't quote me and say it won't be as good in gaming, I never said that.
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Well even if it *only* matches nehalem, it's a clear winner. Anyone denying this fact is just a plain fanboy.
how so? Matching Intel's last-gen chip doesn't make it a winner in my book, especially if it needs (almost) twice the cores to do it...
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how so? Matching Intel's last-gen chip doesn't make it a winner in my book, especially if it needs (almost) twice the cores to do it...
So performance ~ 990X with possibly higher clocks, 4 threads less and a much lower price doesn't make it a winner ?
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So performance ~ 990X with possibly higher clocks, 4 threads less and a much lower price doesn't make it a winner ?
Of course it does the only flaw in that is that we've moved from the 990x since SB came out
 
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Of course it does the only flaw in that is that we've moved from the 990x since SB came out
I doubt I'm the only one that would prefer an 990X over an 2600K.

Also, why do all BD threads end up like this ?

Oh right, I remember. Because of fanboys on both sides and not a single idea of performance.
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