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Lastly, soon game won't have a limit to how many core it will use, it they will simple use them all.
How soon??

seems they are at least a couple years away..
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Do you know why Cinebench is so popular? Because it represents performance in something that people actually do with their computers that actually stresses their CPU properly *cough*gaming*cough*. Nobody REALLY cares how fast their processor is in a test like SuperPi (which is, BTW, biased towards Intel by using instructions only Intel uses ATM so AMD CPUs always score the same as Intel CPUs half as fast as they really are).
I totally agree. Cinebench does indeed reflect that pure performance that is why most of the AMD folk complain about bottlenecks. There have been a significant number of users that shifted from AMD to INTEL and saw a huge FPS boost. Hey, this is not important as long as AMD scores high in cinebench.

Let us not forget that some people do not game. I am also a photographer and the INTEL solutions suit me better than anything on the market from AMD. I work with 2 GB TIFFS, huge NEF files, etc. My second rig has another I7 920 coupled with an SSD and I can tell you that using CS5 Master and Capture NX has never been better especially when I batch process hundreds of files.



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People are talking about it beating Nehalem in *IPC* and completely overthrowing the 990X. Not about it competing with the 960 or anything. The X6 does that... perhaps not too well, but whatever. AMD isn't doing anything well right now except the sub-$100 market, and that's about to change when the new Celerons are released.

Bulldozer will have an IPC compared to its predecessors. Sometimes better sometimes worse. If you look closely at the Bulldozer lineup, AMD focused more on a Netburst approach rather than on a Conroe one. AMD pushes very high clocks on these chips.


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BD-E probably won't be 22nm, which is a bit worrying (especially for single threaded performance because it probably won't clock as high as IB), but Next Generation Bulldozer will almost certainly be 14nm with 3D transistors. GloFo says that they will be ready to start producing 14nm chips with 3D transistors around the time NGBD is expected... forget exactly when, sometime in 2013 or early 2014.

It is worth noting that IVY Bridge will already have 3D transistors on 22nm. This will give INTEL another advantage and with the transition from 22nm to 14, INTEL will implement a better architecture with 3D transistors. AMD will only use them in 14nm and if they don't pull a miracle, they will not dominate INTEL.

Bottom line, AMD is holding innovation back. What we need is another FX moment so INTEL takes out of the closet another Conroe. Can't you guys see that from Conroe onward INTEL has strategically added performance? Without any competition they have no incentive to bring out the big guns. AMDs inability to bring competition to the market is harming everyone.
Edited by Wishmaker - 7/30/11 at 4:08am
 
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If they are changing sockets they better remove those pins from the chip and put them in the socket!
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I totally agree. Cinebench does indeed reflect that pure performance that is why most of the AMD folk complain about bottlenecks. There have been a significant number of users that shifted from AMD to INTEL and saw a huge FPS boost. Hey, this is not important as long as AMD scores high in cinebench.
X4s bottleneck multi-GPU setups. X6s, not so much.

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Let us not forget that some people do not game. I am also a photographer and the INTEL solutions suit me better than anything on the market from AMD. I work with 2 GB TIFFS, huge NEF files, etc. My second rig has another I7 920 coupled with an SSD and I can tell you that using CS5 Master and Capture NX has never been better especially when I batch process hundreds of files.
I never said AMD was better.

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Bulldozer will have an IPC compared to its predecessors. Sometimes better sometimes worse.
So much fail. This is entirely false.

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If you look closely at the Bulldozer lineup, AMD focused more on a Netburst approach rather than on a Conroe one. AMD pushes very high clocks on these chips.
No, they're not taking a NetBurst approach. They're taking a POWER (as in IBM POWER) approach. IBM's POWER CPUs pushed 5 GHz out of the box and still had very good IPC.


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It is worth noting that IVY Bridge will already have 3D transistors on 22nm. This will give INTEL another advantage and with the transition from 22nm to 14, INTEL will implement a better architecture with 3D transistors. AMD will only use them in 14nm and if they don't pull a miracle, they will not dominate INTEL.

Bottom line, AMD is holding innovation back. What we need is another FX moment so INTEL takes out of the closet another Conroe. Can't you guys see that from Conroe onward INTEL has strategically added performance? Without any competition they have no incentive to bring out the big guns. AMDs inability to bring competition to the market is harming everyone.
History is a bad way to estimate performance.

And, okay, AMD might be behind in manufacturing process by a year or so... that might be a problem. But we can't say for sure that AMD's 10 32nm cores will be slower than 6 22nm cores.


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Originally Posted by whitingnick View Post
AMD, pls increase CPU FSB, not cores. 6+ cores is pointless for 99.9% of population. We need faster HD's and CPU's, not more cores.
Learn something about CPUs before you start talking about them.

1) AMD hasn't used a front side bus in eight years, and Intel hasn't in five
2) They have Fusion for those people
3) IPC increases
Edited by Usario - 7/30/11 at 8:59am
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Learn something about CPUs before you start talking about them.

1) AMD hasn't used a front side bus in eight years, and Intel hasn't in five
2) They have Fusion for those people
3) IPC increases
Yup, if posters understood CPU arch. the kids would have nothing to argue about.
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X4s bottleneck multi-GPU setups. X6s, not so much.
CPU don't bottleneck multi-gpu....people do


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I never said AMD was better.
AMD is better

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No, they're not taking a NetBurst approach. They're taking a POWER (as in IBM POWER) approach. IBM's POWER CPUs pushed 5 GHz out of the box and still had very good IPC.
Why would they be using Netburst? or POWER? as a backup plate remember this is x86 we are talking about

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And, okay, AMD might be behind in manufacturing process by a year or so... that might be a problem. But we can't say for sure that AMD's 10 32nm cores will be slower than 6 22nm cores.
AMD isn't behind they have a shorter test period and a longer production cycle, they aren't behind now, they plan to adopt the nanometers when they need to

"Bulldozer" -> Sandy Bridge (32nm)
"Next-Gen Bulldozer" -> Haswell (22nm)
"Unknown AMD Core name" -> Skylake (14nm)
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No offense, but um you on that stuff? The only AMD CPUs competitive in their price ranges are the Athlon II X3/X4 and Llano. And Llano isn't much better than the SB i3s in CPU performance. <10%.
Multi-threaded aside SB i3 is far superior and much better architecture.... Come on now guy
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yeah you wouldn't see a CPU bottleneck since the cards would be horrible at that res with the 128bit bus. Try single screen gaming and if you're aiming for over 60fps at all times you're much better off going intel because atm their CPUs drive multi GPU setups much better.

besides products should still be compared by price, not if they have a igp in them.
Features should be compared not prices

Also, they can do 60fps at that resolution probably more if you can tweak the drivers

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No offense, but um you on that stuff? The only AMD CPUs competitive in their price ranges are the Athlon II X3/X4 and Llano. And Llano isn't much better than the SB i3s in CPU performance. <10%.
Again, Do not look at what is out now to justify your claims

The focus is on GPU performance

CPU performance has little effect on gaming

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Multi-threaded aside SB i3 is far superior and much better architecture.... Come on now guy
Seeming as everything is multithreaded.....I don't actually see your point....



Look at this...

i7 2600K $315 alone can't beat a puny A8-3850 At $140 boo hoo

AMD upped the game and after "Bulldozer" if people don't buy AMD they are just well...over there...heck you can probably get the 6670 and boom 60fps this place all within that $315 range still....
Edited by Seronx - 7/30/11 at 2:26pm
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Features should be compared not prices

Also, they can do 60fps at that resolution probably more if you can tweak the drivers



Again, Do not look at what is out now to justify your claims

The focus is on GPU performance

CPU performance has little effect on gaming



Seeming as everything is multithreaded.....I don't actually see your point....



Look at this...

i7 2600K $315 alone can't beat a puny A8-3850 At $140 boo hoo

AMD upped the game and after "Bulldozer" if people don't buy AMD they are just well...over there...heck you can probably get the 6670 and boom 60fps this place all within that $315 range still....
Not everything is multithreaded, no where near, and the i3 is based on a far better architecture and if you even knew how to read properly(don't worry i realize you can't), you'd see my quote was in defense of "pure CPU performance" so that benchmark is COMPLETELY irrelevant as a response to my quote.
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Multi-threaded aside SB i3 is far superior and much better architecture.... Come on now guy
If that was all that matter We would still be using single core cpus.

Feels good walking in best buy or future shop and seeing most of laptops with an amd sticker
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