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Yup,you're blaming AMD.
Frame rates only jump so dramatically in CPU bound games.
You won't see any huge difference in games that actually uses the single GPU.

LOL,WoW?
Laugh all you want.

He switched from a 1090T to a 2600K, and used ONE example of how his frame rates DOUBLED.

And did you bother to look through this thread?
http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...-converts.html

It's PROOF as to why Sandy Bridge is better than anything AMD has to offer, but like you said, EVERYONE already knows this. But apparently pointing out the obvious = Blaming AMD.

Apparently not everyone. *cough Gameboy *cough.
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Laugh all you want.

He switched from a 1090T to a 2600K, and used ONE example of how his frame rates DOUBLED.

And did you bother to look through this thread?
http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...-converts.html

It's PROOF as to why Sandy Bridge is better than anything AMD has to offer, but like you said, EVERYONE already knows this. But apparently pointing out the obvious = Blaming AMD.

Apparently not everyone. *cough Gameboy *cough.
i wonder if my 6970 will be bottle necked by my x6?
oh well i can wait for bd if it is
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Laugh all you want.

He switched from a 1090T to a 2600K, and used ONE example of how his frame rates DOUBLED.

And did you bother to look through this thread?
http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...-converts.html

It's PROOF as to why Sandy Bridge is better than anything AMD has to offer, but like you said, EVERYONE already knows this. But apparently pointing out the obvious = Blaming AMD.

Apparently not everyone. *cough Gameboy *cough.
Lol,yeah,only ONE example. Benefits vary from game to game. I love how everyone auto assumes all a computer for is games. We all know SB is faster,however comparing the two is still apples to oranges.
You only get a 50% or more increase in games that benefit from a faster CPU,most other games benefit from the GPU horsepower,other wise it's only 10-30%. Not sure if it is true,however the drivers for SLI on the AMD based setup may still be buggy. Also,when you SLI hack you are not getting the best performance from the GPU's. All Gameboy was trying to point out was if the application can use 6 cores it comes closer to the 2500K.
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i wonder if my 6970 will be bottle necked by my x6?
oh well i can wait for bd if it is
It only matters if gameplay is acceptable or not to you,a X6 shouldn't bottleneck a single 6970,however OC'ing would help(just be careful with that MSI board).
Edited by Heavy MG - 7/31/11 at 3:35pm
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He experienced double the frame rates when switching from a 1090T to a 2600K on his SINGLE 6970.

Those are facts from real world user experiences, and if you look around, they are not alone.
I call BS on double frame-rates, I could understand a bit higher due to the 6970 being an high end card, but double? No way.

There's no numbers or anything in that post, just him saying "It DOUBLED!" which for all we know means it went from 50fps to 60fps, he could be running lots of crap in the background which would lead to the SB winning, etc, there's no-where near enough information to say "See, SB is FAR better than Phenom II because of this" as much as SB being better than PhII is true, you can't pass that off as anywhere near accurate.
    
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i wonder if my 6970 will be bottle necked by my x6?
oh well i can wait for bd if it is
Depends on the game. The majority of current games can't use more than 2-4 cores anyway, so the extra 2 cores on a 1090T are effectively useless. In that sense, your X6 will perform like a Phenom II X4.

I've heard of people with 1090Ts see a 10 fps increase by overclocking from 4 GHz to 4.2 GHz when using a single HD 6970. Others have said that with a 1055T @ 3.5 GHz, they never see their GPU usage go up to 100%, indicating a bottleneck is present. See here: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=346800

But, in the end, it really depends on what game you're playing and the resolution/settings you're using. Some games, such as SC2 or COD Black Ops, are heavily CPU dependent. In games like those, your 1090T will probably bottleneck a high end card like a 6970 somewhat, even if the 1090T is overclocked. In other, less CPU dependent games, you may not notice a difference between a 1090T and 2500K when the same graphics card is paired with both.

This chart compares performance in Black Ops with the same GPU (HD5970) but different CPUs. As you can see, the game is heavily CPU dependent even at 1920x1080:



Some other games, like BF BC2, are much more GPU dependent than CPU dependent, and consequentially you see much smaller gains with faster CPUs:

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Thanks for posting that 996. Exactly what I said. Shame people will throw dirt at it and claim its not true . There are so many facts but people ignore them ...
 
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My X6 does not bottle neck my 6870s in BC2 at all. Fraps shows me getting 170-200fps with V-sync off and everything else maxed out on 1920x1080. And that is while I have a GTX465 folding too.
That's because Bad Company 2 is not very CPU dependent, like I posted a few posts up. Only 25% gain going from a Core i7 920 @ 2.2 GHz to a Core i7 920 @ 3.7 GHz.

In a more CPU-intensive game like Black Ops, you WILL see considerably higher frame rates with Crossfired 6870s by going from a Phenom II X6 to a 2500 or 2600K.
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That's because Bad Company 2 is not very CPU dependent, like I posted two posts up...
Thing is... most games are not very CPU dependent. There are a handful of games where a Phenom II will limit you to less than 60FPS and a 2500K will put you over the number for the same GPU.


NOTE: I am not saying that PH II is better than SB even at its cheaper price.


^People have a tendency to misunderstand posts around here,
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That's because Bad Company 2 is not very CPU dependent, like I posted a few posts up. Only 25% gain going from a Core i7 920 @ 2.2 GHz to a Core i7 920 @ 3.7 GHz.

In a more CPU-intensive game like Black Ops, you WILL see considerably higher frame rates with Crossfired 6870s by going from a Phenom II X6 to a 2500 or 2600K.
Why do you pick such a bad example ? Black ops isn't good multithreaded at all. Never seen it higher then 55% cpu usage while my gpu was @ 60-70% the whole time ... 1920x1080 8x AA everything on extra/max.
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