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Originally Posted by SectorNine50 View Post
I know the article, I started a thread that disproved it.

The reason you didn't see a performance benefit was because A) the processor was not even close to being worked hard and B) the GPU caused a bottleneck.

If you're curious about the discussion and evidence I came up with, go here:
http://www.overclock.net/pc-games/10...eadedness.html
Thank you sector. Will definitely check it out

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We'll see, AMD has always had a great price-performance ratio. Unlike Intel: 10% performance gain = an extra $100 dollars to the price.
Have to disagree with you on that sn. Amd has only had a great price/performance ratio when it couldn't beat intel. Remember this?



It was 999.99 when it was released
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post #32 of 75
If not it will be rather disappointing considering that AMD will be riding this platform for like 20 months and Ivy Bridge and who knows what else from intel will be hitting the market in the mean time.
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Thank you sector. Will definitely check it out



Have to disagree with you on that sn. Amd has only had a great price/performance ratio when it couldn't beat intel. Remember this?



It was 999.99 when it was released
Because it was one of the very first dual cores and still a new technology at the time?

Core 2 Duo X6800 launched at $999:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...22_.2865_nm.29
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i5-2500k will be a better gaming chip than any BD, it will have to be very close for me to not switch for CF and min fps increase
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Because it was one of the very first dual cores and still a new technology at the time?

What was the launch price of the Core 2 Duo?
Umm no. Back when AMD had faster CPUs, all the FX unlocked CPUs were $1000+. Let's try not to have selective memory. It was only when Intel CPUs became obviously faster that AMD had to stop with the $1000 pricing for their unlocked CPUs.

When Conroe was first launched, it had normal pricing, except obviously the unlocked Extreme Edition was $1000 as usual.
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Yup thats be worst part, if IVY that is going to be much better than the SB and if BZ specs to be at the same lvl o just a bit up than SB, it just sound like a lost battle. BUT it's nothing confirmed so we will need to w8 up to which date in august?
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Oh god, I just realized there might be a Bulldozer II, just like the Phenom II...
    
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post #38 of 75
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In fact, I predict Bulldozer will perform better in Battlefield 3 than the Sandy Bridge chips.

I say this only because they have twice the core count, Battlefield can take advantage of those cores, and if the cores are any better than Phenom II's (which I'm sure they will be) the extra cores will actually make up for lesser IPC.
In theory, that's sound, but stuff is not quite threaded that way yet, even if the engine can spawn X amount of threads or whatever. I mean, does a Phenom II X6 give 50% more performance in Battlefield Bad Company 2 than a Phenom II X4? Not all threads are created equally. Usually, you have a few main ones, and the rest are minor. It's increasingly difficult to scale to 16 threads to the level of perfection (in other words, to where a 6 core CPU performs about twice as well as an 8 core CPU). IPC still does now, and will for a long time yet, play a major role.

No doubt though that stuff that does take advantage of extra cores threads to a more balanced/high degree will tip things in Bulldozer's favor, but right now, that's not looking to be games. That's why a quad core Sandy Bridge is faster than a hex core Core i7 990x Extreme in almost every game there is, a few exceptions aside.

The days you're talking of are still quite a ways away. It's alot of work to make stuff threaded to that degree. Ask any code writer/developer/programmer/whatever. There's alot of timing/sync issues involved. The days of eight and sixteen core games showing gains like that and being common place are a ways away. Honestly, dual core CPUs are still usable, and only recently have tri core and quad core CPUs become more and more required in a few games (and the consoles probably are half of the reason for that, to be honest).

In any case, we'll see. We won't know until the game and Bulldozer is out.
Edited by Princess Garnet - 7/25/11 at 11:48am
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I've been upset that AMD has been mostly a flop compared to Intel since after the 939 days. AMD was really killing it in the price-to-performance department and they've been slacking ever since. Hopefully, BD changes that. HOPEFULLY. 6 core AMD for $300 that outperforms Intel's $320 2600k? Take my money.
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Because it was one of the very first dual cores and still a new technology at the time?

Core 2 Duo X6800 launched at $999:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...22_.2865_nm.29
His point remains valid. He was saying AMD has not always been best price/performance for people. That is absolutely true. They originally tried to compete in the same price bracket but then fell to the best price/performance nitch. They did not want to be there they just had no choice. Intel has tons more R and D and money to throw behind their products because their prices are higher, meaning they can again create better tech.

Anyways back on topic. AMD needs to win the clock speed race and stop worrying about more cores for now. Todays apps like more speed vs more cores than a quad.
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