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I think bulldozer will do well in multithreaded apps, like Cinebench.

I wouldn't buy one as a gamer though, unless the quad core can run with the i5-2500k, once they're both overclocked there wouldn't be much point in switching to BD with Ivy Bridge coming to 1155 a few months after bulldozer releases.

AMD is so far behind right now they're almost releasing on Intels tick, which means most likely Intel will get their tock (haswell 22nm) out about the same time bulldozer brings out their bulldozer 22nm revision.

All that said the imo for mid/high end gamers Intel has the chip to beat at $220. If you're looking to price vs performance and your only focus is rendering and other multithreaded apps the eight core bulldozer might win out, leaving the i7-2600k a sort of "hybird" in the mix. With gaming performance of the i5-2500k, while offering better multithreaded performance than the i5-2500k. Whereas a eight core bulldozer chip is going to be crippled in most games since most are dual or tri threaded.
I see Intel pulling a fast one on Amd and dropping prices right before BD's launch. 199 or less 2500K would be fantastic.
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post #52 of 75
Honestly why even start a post like this for what there is no proof of anything so starting a who's **** is bigger post really mean that much to you people.
post #53 of 75
It would be nice if games took advantage of more than 4 cores.

But anyway, we don't know how well BD will perform yet.
So saying BD will suck at this and that is quite naive.
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post #54 of 75
I would think we've seen enough processors over the years to get a general idea of the expected performance increases to except.

The only real unknown with Bulldozer is how much the resource sharing will affect IPC vs the typical growth seen in next gen cpus (for instance SB gained about 17% over 1366 clock for clock which is pretty typical in the cpu world).

The other option would be AMD pulled a hat trick and came out with the most amazing cpu update in the history of the world but decided even though they had a quantum leap in performance they would instead be internet white knights like many of their followers and charge less than what would be expected from even a cpu that just simply competes.
    
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Agreed more information on the final judgement is needed. However, certain info to give a good estimate is all that is needed.

Its fact that games generally favor faster clock over more cores. AMD tends to have the mindset of "needs more cores" but that was a fail with the phenom x 6. The deneb chip outperformed its x6 bro on clock speed and therefore in games as well.

Yes we need more info, but im calling it how I see it, AMD needs to increase their overclock ability or fall behind in the performance category. Like I said Intel has way more money to play around with, and with Ivy just around the corner it is to little to late, IMO.
Edited by Dimaggio1103 - 7/25/11 at 12:54pm
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post #56 of 75
Here's the thing, it's not like they are pulling a Phenom III X8.
BD is a completely new core.
We can't compare it to the previous architecture that easily.

BD may very well be nearly twice as fast as a Phenom II X6.
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The deneb chip outperformed its x6 bro on clock speed and therefore in games as well.
Thuban outperforms Deneb at clock speeds as well.

Crap, double post.
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Thuban outperforms Deneb at clock speeds as well.

Crap, double post.
The two Denebs I had hit over 4GHz the Thuban I had did not.

Just because its a new way of going about setting up cores does not mean its revolutionary. If it was a game changer then why the hold up? Why not give the market its SB killer and take the crown now? I think they are doing something really dumb by waiting for Q3 to release, like it was said even on the off chance it beats SB its only gonna have that title for like 3-4 months.
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Generally the Thuban CPUs do clock higher.
Most people would agree.

Personally I've had both Deneb and Thuban.
Thuban clocked higher for me.

I'm not at all happy AMD is "delaying" the crap out of BD.
Right now their priority is to sell their money maker (Llano).
BD on the other hand is targeted at the server and enthusiast market (the minority).

If anything, Llano should have been shipped early this year.
That's where AMD or TSMC screwed up.
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post #60 of 75
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The two Denebs I had hit over 4GHz the Thuban I had did not.

Just because its a new way of going about setting up cores does not mean its revolutionary. If it was a game changer then why the hold up? Why not give the market its SB killer and take the crown now? I think they are doing something really dumb by waiting for Q3 to release, like it was said even on the off chance it beats SB its only gonna have that title for like 3-4 months.
I hit 4.616GHz on my Thuban - they are great chips.

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