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I've been talking about reliability since the OP. Click on the first page and look at the first 2 posts, it's not too hard to see.

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Regarding reliability in business/datacenters, do we really care? But for personal use, HDDs have been extremely unreliable for me. I've had 2 laptop drives and 1 desktop drive die, my parents have had one laptop and 3 desktop drives fail, and my sister has also had a laptop drive fail. I don't care how reliable people tell me a HDD is, I'm not going to believe it.

SSD's all the way.
That's just too bad, seems like you have a lot of laptop hdds die around you, maybe has something to do with the way you handle and use your laptops? only you know for sure.

Like I said, reliability is not dependent on a few users experiences. Your string of bad luck with HDDs is just you. I'm glad to hear you're having better luck with SSDs.
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I've been talking about reliability since the OP. Click on the first page and look at the first 2 posts, it's not too hard to see.



That's just too bad, seems like you have a lot of laptop hdds die around you, maybe has something to do with the way you handle and use your laptops? only you know for sure.

Like I said, reliability is not dependent on a few users experiences. Your string of bad luck with HDDs is just you. I'm glad to hear you're having better luck with SSDs.
I've had about 25 HDDs over the years, three have died. I've had one SSD, still works like new. Not enough stats for me to go on yet, but maybe he's just had a lot of HDDs.
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I've been talking about reliability since the OP. Click on the first page and look at the first 2 posts, it's not too hard to see.



That's just too bad, seems like you have a lot of laptop hdds die around you, maybe has something to do with the way you handle and use your laptops? only you know for sure.

Like I said, reliability is not dependent on a few users experiences. Your string of bad luck with HDDs is just you. I'm glad to hear you're having better luck with SSDs.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...rate,2923.html

one of the companies there is using 5000 Intel SSD's

Seems like intel is the way to go if you want reliability, not a VR
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Every time one of these threads pop-up people start complaining about storage space and cost of SSDs, and I feel compelled to quote Duckie:

Low Cost
Fast Speed
More Storage Space

Pick two...
This.

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Ummm, what is there to talk about?

You're debating speed while I'm debating reliability. SSDs have yet to be proven in reliability. HDDs have been around for ages and is the age old standard, for most business and data centers they'll be sticking with HDDs for a while unless there is a demand or profit to be made by switching over to SSDs.

Like I said, if consumer SSDs are so reliable there wouldn't be a need for enterprise SSDs or industrial SSDs. Having a few users here and there saying their own SSDs have been reliable doesn't count as reliability.
Reliability comes from age? Really?

The first HDDs are the most reliable, easily...Why? There's still some that function. I doubt you'll see anywhere near the amount that function from the 20MB drive era with say, even an older 200GB drive, up to the latest 3TB drives.

HDDs are no more or less reliable than SSDs these days, at least, they tend to last 7-10 years and most business' have fault tolerance anyway, the one thing keeping SSDs from most servers is the lack of space for the money.

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That's just too bad, seems like you have a lot of laptop hdds die around you, maybe has something to do with the way you handle and use your laptops? only you know for sure.

Like I said, reliability is not dependent on a few users experiences. Your string of bad luck with HDDs is just you. I'm glad to hear you're having better luck with SSDs.
SSDs are more reliable simply from the way they're made, no moving parts? Less complicated parts means less that can break.

Buy any last gen SSD today and watch it last until the NAND loses its charge or you run out of writes. While buying that SSD, buy a new HDD, give them both the same load and tell me which dies first, I bet it'll be the HDD.
    
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...rate,2923.html

one of the companies there is using 5000 Intel SSD's

Seems like intel is the way to go if you want reliability, not a VR
VR fitted a very cliche area during a time I built a system for a client of mine.

He wanted hot swap capable case but I couldn't find a case with a SAS back plate other than server racks. When I did find one the case costs $500 (Lian Li PC-X2000F). He wanted a fast and reliable drive but couldn't afford enterprise grade SSD and he needed 2 drives for RAID1.

In order to fit his budget, speed and hot swap needs VR was the perfect candidate.

Most of you are only thinking from a single user environment perspective. If a drive fails it'll only affect, you.

If a drive fails at a business it'll affect many people. That's why you can afford to say what you say.
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VR fitted a very cliche area during a time I built a system for a client of mine.

He wanted hot swap capable case but I couldn't find a case with a SAS back plate other than server racks. When I did find one the case costs $500 (Lian Li PC-X2000F). He wanted a fast and reliable drive but couldn't afford enterprise grade SSD and he needed 2 drives for RAID1.

In order to fit his budget, speed and hot swap needs VR was the perfect candidate.

Most of you are only thinking from a single user environment perspective. If a drive fails it'll only affect, you.

If a drive fails at a business it'll affect many people. That's why you can afford to say what you say.
And..?
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VR fitted a very cliche area during a time I built a system for a client of mine.

He wanted hot swap capable case but I couldn't find a case with a SAS back plate other than server racks. When I did find one the case costs $500 (Lian Li PC-X2000F). He wanted a fast and reliable drive but couldn't afford enterprise grade SSD and he needed 2 drives for RAID1.

In order to fit his budget, speed and hot swap needs VR was the perfect candidate.

Most of you are only thinking from a single user environment perspective. If a drive fails it'll only affect, you.

If a drive fails at a business it'll affect many people. That's why you can afford to say what you say.
Intel SSDs are regular old SATA not SAS so that arguement isnt valid.

and most of us are thinking from a singer user environment, how do u figure? i have more fault tolerance for my important stuff then most...

The bottom line was your client was either to cheap or couldnt afford an SSD which is fine but that does not make the raptors better in any way shape or form, just cheaper.
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I'm going to jump in on the reliability argument
my experience is not vast with storage devices but this is what I've dealt with


HDD's
-Raptor 37Gb - DOA
-Raptor 37Gb - had for three years, sold computer
-Seagate 320GB 7200rpm - had for two years, sold computer
-1.5TB barracuda - Died after 1.5years: lost everything, no signs of failure
-1TB F3 died after 3 months {PSU ISSUE}
-1Tb F3: still going strong as far as I know over 1.25yrs
-1Tb F3 have had it 5-months: works fine
-2tb F4 have had it 4 months: works fine

SSD's
-30GB OCZ Vertex - died after 6-months {PSU ISSUE}
-30GB OCZ Vertex - still going strong as far as I know, sold it
-30GB OCZ Vertex - still going strong as far as I know, sold it
-Corsair V128 - still going strong as far as I know, sold it
-Microcenter (A-Date) 64Gb sandforce - still going strong as far as I know, sold it


make of it what you will.
I don't trust ANY storage devide right now.

I'm currently running a 1TB F3 internal and I regularly backup to a 2TB F4

SSD's are in my future, but with my SLOW post, I don't see the benefit for daily use as I need 200+GB for Steam games and I don't want an OS only SSD
post #129 of 132
I am still using my original raptor 74 since 2004 its been on almost constantly since then, besides being loud its a tank, this reliability issue is a pointless argument all electronics can be unreliable, but this should not be an arguing factor for getting a ssd. This thread is so derailed.
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Here's an idea WD, move the Velociraptor moniker to a new line of WD SSDs.
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