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Although a little OT, this reminded me of... LINK

Its fun to see the pinacle of single-drive HDD storage, but definately not worth the premium if the previous VR's are anything to go on. They had their time of relevence on the market.....3-5 years ago
    
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Reliability is still a big question with SSDs. HDDs are true and tried. When it comes to size and reliability HDDs still win.
Just got a velociraptor back from rma. These drives have simply fallen into a unique niche.
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If anyone could see my proposed build plans up until perhaps late June, I was going to get the 600GB VelociRaptor as my boot drive. However, I eventually realized that I was just doing a poor job of organizing my files. My previous computer had two 640GB Western Digital Caviar Blue drives and I had gotten used to keeping way too much junk on the boot drive including not-so-temporary "temporary" downloads and saved application archives and ISOs. The large boot drive was a crutch. The more I read about SSDs, the more I was willing to acknowledge that there were better ways for me to spend $250 on a boot drive, and the performance advantage of a SATA 6Gbps SSD over a VelociRaptor was too good for me to ignore.

I then decided I could either stay with conventional HDDs using two Caviar Blacks in RAID 1 or get an SSD for my boot drive and come out ahead of buying a 600GB VelociRaptor either way performance-wise. I'd be saving a good amount of money that I could go nuts on secondary storage. Once I actually took inventory of the Program Files directories on my Windows 7 laptop and my old XP desktop, getting a 120/128GB SSD just made more sense. To deal with the task of organizing approximately 1TB of data, I bought two 1.5TB Hitachi 7K3000 HDDs.

VelociRaptors aren't useless, but their niche market is becoming increasingly smaller. Their selling point is performance, not enterprise-class reliability, and they have a hefty price for something that doesn't come anywhere close to the performance of an SSD. Because the VelociRaptor is no longer the fastest consumer desktop storage solution and was never the cheapest, it's finding a hard time belonging unless you want a boot drive faster than 7200rpm HDDs, larger than 128GB (SSDs of that capacity are on par with the most expensive VelociRaptor in price), don't want to run RAID, and have concerns about SSD reliability. That's a lot of criteria even for an enthusiast to fill.
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VelociRaptors aren't useless, but their niche market is becoming increasingly smaller. Their selling point is performance, not enterprise-class reliability, and they have a hefty price for something that doesn't come anywhere close to the performance of an SSD. Because the VelociRaptor is no longer the fastest consumer desktop storage solution and was never the cheapest, it's finding a hard time belonging unless you want a boot drive faster than 7200rpm HDDs, larger than 128GB (SSDs of that capacity are on par with the most expensive VelociRaptor in price), don't want to run RAID, and have concerns about SSD reliability. That's a lot of criteria even for an enthusiast to fill.
Yes, I agree that right now that no one should get a VR as a boot drive since SSDs are around. VR's market has become ever more niche. Just like a recent build for a client of mine.

Enterprise class SSDs were too expensive and consumer PC cases don't have hot swappable SAS back plates (except the Lian Li PC-X2000F which is a $500 case). Client wanted a reliable and fast HDD with good ROPs. This is where the VR came in.

Other than increasing storage size for consumer HDDs, speed is something they can work on. Maybe the profit margin is too low for a 2TB 10,000rpm VR.
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Yes, I agree that right now that no one should get a VR as a boot drive since SSDs are around. VR's market has become ever more niche. Just like a recent build for a client of mine.

Enterprise class SSDs were too expensive and consumer PC cases don't have hot swappable SAS back plates (except the Lian Li PC-X2000F which is a $500 case). Client wanted a reliable and fast HDD with good ROPs. This is where the VR came in.

Other than increasing storage size for consumer HDDs, speed is something they can work on. Maybe the profit margin is too low for a 2TB 10,000rpm VR.
The VelociRaptor does make sense for single drive client builds and small business workstations where the user won't be dealing with things like configuring RAID or managing SSD use. I would rather have a VelociRaptor on my work computer more than anything else, but then you have to introduce the cost factor for the company. That would effectively eliminate any large corporation from investing in them for non-computing-intensive employees.

When it comes to small businesses with a loose budget and no hard guidelines for computer purchases, they tend to do whatever the heck they want though. I actually had a dual core Xeon workstation with Cheetahs at my first company, and all I did was Web design and light Visual Studio development. The next few companies unsurprisingly turned out to be a massive disappointment in terms of my given work machine.

Also, I was wrong earlier. Western Digital does classify the VelociRaptor as an enterprise hard drive, but I guess I never thought of it as such because I'm so used to it being talked about as an enthusiast offering. It looks like enterprise is their only market for this drive now since they don't really have the enthusiast market anymore.
    
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Velociraptors are a huge waste of money now that SSDs are becoming more mainstream. Also, aren't the newer Caviar Blacks essentially neck-in-neck with the Velociraptors in most benchmarks anyway?
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Velociraptors are a huge waste of money now that SSDs are becoming more mainstream. Also, aren't the newer Caviar Blacks essentially neck-in-neck with the Velociraptors in most benchmarks anyway?
More-or-less. My 4 Blacks in RAID0 are at least as good as one VR, I paid a little less but have 2TB instead of 600GB, and gain some redundancy!
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Vraptors have their niche. They're a nice drive for a casual user. I waited because SSDs were too premature. Right now there's no reason not to go for a SSD especially for an enthusiast.
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Can anyone link to an enterprise ssd? I'm not sure what that is...
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Can anyone link to an enterprise ssd? I'm not sure what that is...
http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCateg...Enterprise-SSD
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