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Exactly why I'm not solid state yet...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227515

i bet its cost is why you're not solid state yet
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227515

i bet its cost is why you're not solid state yet
Well obviously, they kind of go hand in hand since I prefer to go RAID10 anyways.

EDIT: Also SATAII.
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What is it with the 15k rpm raptors? That's SCSI territory. buy a cheap controller and goto town.
    
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I'm very picky with organization...if my OS drive can't fit the rest of my games/applications/scratch files while making me worry about degrading write speeds over time...then SSDs shall stay away from my life.


Bro, if you are meticulous about your organization, then you've missed the boat completely.

Nobody puts their games in the same drive as their OS, it clutters things up.

Coincidentally, an $89 1TB HD can be partition like this:
C: OS: (100GB)
D: App: (100GB)
E: Games: (100GB)
F: Media: (500GB)
G: Storage (200GB)

Or, like most they put only their OS on a small SSD (60GB), while the rest of their files sit on a partitioned WD black = win/win

Raids are for Enterprise and people who can't auto back-up to thumbdrive.
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Bro, if you are meticulous about your organization, then you've missed the boat completely.

Nobody puts their games in the same drive as their OS, it clutters things up.

Coincidentally, an $89 1TB HD can be partition like this:
C: OS: (100GB)
D: App: (100GB)
E: Games: (100GB)
F: Media: (500GB)
G: Storage (200GB)

Or, like most they put only their OS on a small SSD (60GB), while the rest of their files sit on a partitioned WD black = win/win

Raids are for Enterprise and people who can't auto back-up to thumbdrive.
Hmmm...let me explain...

As Blindsay explained above '...to each their own...'

Partitioning is practically useless in my opinion. Where you'd have to deal with so many different storage devices (when it's actually just one). I can understand the concept of short-stroking but I would rather organize with different folders on one drive than dealing with several separate partitions. Then it becomes more of a hassle when programs/applications require the use of the 'C' drive only (imagine if you installed on the partitioned 'D' drive...then everything becomes even more unorganized ).

This looks more organized from my point of view...


Additionally...I can't tell if you're trying to mention that RAID setups are only for Enterprise (did you mean businesses only or specifically Enterprise type hard drives?).

But just to set the mentality straight...RAID is for people of specific needs depending on the type of RAID is needed.

RAID-0 : (Stripe) To increase drive performance through sequential reads/writes.

RAID-1 : (Mirror) To clone several drives as one to reduce upcoming downtime caused by any single drive failure.

RAID-1+0/10/0+1 : Combination of RAID-0 and RAID-1 where you decide to prioritize mirroring or striping.

RAID-5 : (Parity) A type of striping to several drives but setup in a way to allow one disk failure of three or more disk.

RAID-6: (Parity+) An extended version of RAID-5 that allows two disk failures for larger array setups.

Those are pretty much the main RAID setups that are used...but feel free to research more complicated RAID setups yourself as they are hard to explain. Additionally...please don't mistake RAID as a backup solution since it's not...or how should I say...a replacement for backing up files. Anybody who has a RAID setup should already know to have additional backups ready. As one person used to say 'A file does not exist unless it exist is three places at once."
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When did news of WD developing a new VR drive dissent into a debate about partitioning and RAID??


...Oh right; OCN, that's when.
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If they have a nice price point and storage capacity im game while waiting for ssd drives to come down, I have an original raptor 74 from 2004 and its been on 24/7 since then and is still a great os drive. Will most of the ssd be able to report that kind of reliability? People shouldn't bad mouth raptors there very well made drives that before ssd were the best os drives outside of the very pricey scsi drives.
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Hmmm...let me explain...

As Blindsay explained above '...to each their own...'

Partitioning is practically useless in my opinion. Where you'd have to deal with so many different storage devices (when it's actually just one). I can understand the concept of short-stroking but I would rather organize with different folders on one drive than dealing with several separate partitions. Then it becomes more of a hassle when programs/applications require the use of the 'C' drive only (imagine if you installed on the partitioned 'D' drive...then everything becomes even more unorganized ).

This looks more organized from my point of view...


Additionally...I can't tell if you're trying to mention that RAID setups are only for Enterprise (did you mean businesses only or specifically Enterprise type hard drives?).

But just to set the mentality straight...RAID is for people of specific needs depending on the type of RAID is needed.

RAID-0 : (Stripe) To increase drive performance through sequential reads/writes.

RAID-1 : (Mirror) To clone several drives as one to reduce upcoming downtime caused by any single drive failure.

RAID-1+0/10/0+1 : Combination of RAID-0 and RAID-1 where you decide to prioritize mirroring or striping.

RAID-5 : (Parity) A type of striping to several drives but setup in a way to allow one disk failure of three or more disk.

RAID-6: (Parity+) An extended version of RAID-5 that allows two disk failures for larger array setups.

Those are pretty much the main RAID setups that are used...but feel free to research more complicated RAID setups yourself as they are hard to explain. Additionally...please don't mistake RAID as a backup solution since it's not...or how should I say...a replacement for backing up files. Anybody who has a RAID setup should already know to have additional backups ready. As one person used to say 'A file does not exist unless it exist is three places at once."
haha yeah, i have my entire RAID5 array backed up on 2 completely seperate external hard drives. RAID is really only good for drive failures, doesnt protect against user error, virus's and the odds of an error when rebuilding an array after a failed drive
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Hmmm...let me explain...

As Blindsay explained above '...to each their own...'

Partitioning is practically useless in my opinion. Where you'd have to deal with so many different storage devices (when it's actually just one). I can understand the concept of short-stroking but I would rather organize with different folders on one drive than dealing with several separate partitions. Then it becomes more of a hassle when programs/applications require the use of the 'C' drive only (imagine if you installed on the partitioned 'D' drive...then everything becomes even more unorganized ).

This looks more organized from my point of view...


Dude, you are living in the 90's..

A different storage device allows your information on the other drives to stay intact if u format the C drive, etc. Also, with everything is separate, you can keep certain partitions on different defrag methods & times.

What software requires C: ..? (Other than OS?)



Secondly, what RAID is.. isn't a secret... lol

So why even bother trying to explain it to us..? Or, is it the way you explained cannot explain your own needs/wants..? Indicating you do not understand the purpose of a raid-array... only that you want/have one.

SSD + HD is a faster system, than what you have. UNLESS you have specific need for such redundancy of all your files. Most people don't back up their games, or applications, they just keep critical files duplicated elsewhere.



Lastly, no wonder why you cannot see the importance of SSD quickness, over a Raptor's... you think every file needs to have redundancy, instead of the files you deem important.
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When did news of WD developing a new VR drive dissent into a debate about partitioning and RAID??


...Oh right; OCN, that's when.
This...

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Bro, if you are meticulous about your organization, then you've missed the boat completely.
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Dude, you are living in the 90's..
You're practically attacking me when I'm just stating my own opinion. This is a news forum which is why I don't want people who don't know what RAID is to misunderstand its uses. You shouldn't assume that every single person on this forum understands RAID...this is the reason why OCN exist (from my point of view)...basically to learn and to ask questions. No reason to argue here.

EDIT:

@formula m To answer your feedback...

Why are you stating that I don't understand RAID ...you don't even know me or my needs for that matter. If the picture I posted didn't give you an idea of what I might have setup...you should at least ask before you start assuming anything about everything. I do a lot of file transfers so I would be better off not being write limited (where sequential speeds mean more to me than randoms). The RAID-0 I have setup is required for my 720p uncompressed video capturing. The RAID-5 array is pretty much my main storage device where I keep everything from edited files up to ten years ago to photos I've taken just yesterday.

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...SSD + HD is a faster system, than what you have.
I already know that having an SSD/HDD setup is a great combination...but I never said that my system was faster than it ...I specifically explained why I avoid them...(just excuse the bold that I forgot to add in)

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...They fill in the middle ground nicely for having decent access times and space. If that's what you need then feel free to buy them and be part of the small market. Otherwise go with an SSD if space is not a concern...that is unless you feel the same way as me which is why I avoid them...

-Capacity
-Price/GB
-Write Limited
You're seriously just being ignorant of others...but I guess that's something you need to learn and ask questions about
Edited by pvp309rcp - 7/31/11 at 4:54am
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