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Currently, I have a:
1 TB Seagate 7200.12 HDD
1 TB WD Black HDD
1 TB WD Green HDD (sucks).

Anyway, I am thinking of purchasing a second 1 GB WD Black, and putting the two Black drives in RAID0. Is this a good option? Or should I go with a cheap SSD?

Reason is that I figured a lot of the stuttering in games is not really due to much of anything else other than the HDD (I noticed quite the difference when playing games on the green vs the black (doing a test)).

If I decide to go a second Black, and do RAID. I would rather do hardware raid instead of software. Which is a good RAID card to use? I am Canadian, so I shop over at NCIX or local Memory Express.
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Hey so you're thinking is good. A RAID 0 set up for the OS can be very fast since you're coming from a normal HD. Nothing like an SSD currently because of its response time, but they tend to be expensive.

If you do decide to go ahead and do RAID 0 you will not need a RAID card, dedicated cards are only really needed for larger arrays where you will be using RAID 5 or above. So far there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with what you're suggesting. Just don't use your OS drive as storage as RAID 0 can fail on you without warning.

If you want help on how to set it up, post back here.

Hope this helped.
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Hmm... you want this for games? You've already got games on your WD 1TB Black, but you've got so many you've had to put some on your WD Green?

Yeah, I'm going to say RAID is the way to go. I'm guessing there's no affordable SSDs that will fit your game library. tongue.gif

Keep in mind that initializing a RAID array clears the drives.

What's your budget? I'm wondering if there's a way to fit a small SSD in there as well.
     
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haha. Sorry for the confuson.

No, I do not have too many games that I had to put them on my green drive. More like, I was doing various tests and had the same game installed on both drives, to test performance (found that the green drive was real slow at it), but the OS is installed on the green drive, and I do not notice slow down compared to my older WD Caviar drive. Long story short, I made a mistake in the past, and had installed (which is still now) the two drives, backwards (black drive ended up being backup, while green being main, when it was supposed to be the other way around). Got lazy and did not bother to fix the issue tongue.gif

But now, I would like to move onto RAID.

My budget? Well, I was looking at picking up this:

NCIX - WD Black 1TB

(Trying to reduce as much as I can in terms of spending. As I am going to school in Octobre and need to really start saving).

and have it paired up with my other WD Black 1TB to have effective a RAID0 setup.

Why I mentioned hardware raid rather than software, was that I learned in the past (do not know if it still applies to now) that if I use software (or in this case, onboard), it will use more CPU power than using a dedicated card. Hopefully I am wrong about this (so someone please correct me).

Also, I am somewhat new to RAID (never really had the desire to in the past 10 years to use it) until I seen the tests done on this site and others (and with the mindset that large games like Oblivion, STALKER, etc that use a lot of hard disk cache, etc, that it would be benificial to have a RAID setup). So how would I go about doing RAID? Can I do it while Windows 7 is already installed? I was thinking of wiping the HDD's as is, backup everything else, and having my Green as the backup and the Seagate as another backup while two Black drives being for OS and games. So how would I set individually what drive is RAID and which is not?

And I really appreciate the help.
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SeaGate hasn't been doing well with the Barracudas. I'm anxious to see if their next generation drives are as good or better than the legendary Samsung Spinpoint F3s now that Seagate bought them. I kind of wished it was WD that bought them (no offense to seagate). Anyways, get the WD caviar black. A RAID card is usually only needed for larger RAID arrays. Razul said RAID 5 and above but I think the mobo should be able to handle raid 0+1 and/or RAID 10 (aka RAID 1+0).
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a few months ago i had the wd blacks set p in raid 0 , 1 , 10 , 5 and 50 they work pretty well and are fast but the best way to get full use out your raid setup is to use a raid card. or for main os drive i will not go more than 3 hddis in raid 0. anything more and yyou will start to lose performance.

now saying that may people say i am talking nonsence but i have tested it all out etc... and can comfirm it.

the greens do not raid and if you get it to raid you are lucky, and it will drop out and kill your data

if you want more info let me know.

ps. OC your cpu to get more out of it.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by levontraut;14350198 
a few months ago i had the wd blacks set p in raid 0 , 1 , 10 , 5 and 50 they work pretty well and are fast but the best way to get full use out your raid setup is to use a raid card. or for main os drive i will not go more than 3 hddis in raid 0. anything more and yyou will start to lose performance.

now saying that may people say i am talking nonsence but i have tested it all out etc... and can comfirm it.

the greens do not raid and if you get it to raid you are lucky, and it will drop out and kill your data

if you want more info let me know.

ps. OC your cpu to get more out of it.


I don't need to OC my CPU, as I know it isn't bottlenecking my GPU when gaming at 1080p (I measured while gameing, can see that GPU is being fully used, rather than only partially used). CPU isn't the problem.

Edit: But thank you for the suggestion. I will keep it in mind.
Edited by Mr.Mid??ange - 7/26/11 at 3:29am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.MidЯange;14350213 
I don't need to OC my CPU, as I know it isn't bottlenecking my GPU when gaming at 1080p (I measured while gameing, can see that GPU is being fully used, rather than only partially used). CPU isn't the problem.

Edit: But thank you for the suggestion. I will keep it in mind.



i was talking about OCing the cpu more for the raid side of things.


but yeah ok.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.MidЯange;14350148 
My budget? Well, I was looking at picking up this:

NCIX - WD Black 1TB

(Trying to reduce as much as I can in terms of spending. As I am going to school in Octobre and need to really start saving).
Here, use this promo code and save yourself $2. smile.gif It expires Wednesday (July 27th 2011) 11PM PST.

http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=50895&promoid=1337
Quote:
Originally Posted by levontraut;14350198 
or for main os drive i will not go more than 3 hddis in raid 0. anything more and yyou will start to lose performance.
You will start to not gain as much performance.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.MidЯange;14350213 
I don't need to OC my CPU, as I know it isn't bottlenecking my GPU when gaming at 1080p (I measured while gameing, can see that GPU is being fully used, rather than only partially used). CPU isn't the problem.
Keep in mind that CPUs are now 40x faster than they were when a lot of these articles explaining RAID were written.

I agree with your plan. If you have everything on your Green currently, you can...
1) Setup the RAID array.
2) Disconnect the Green.
3) Reinstall onto the RAID array.
4) Reconnect the Green. Fix BIOS boot order. Assign drive letter from Disk Management.
5) Copy over everything important.
6) Reformat Green and use as Backup drive.

You will want to partition smartly. Windows shoves data all over the place in partitions - so I usually do a small OS/Games partition, then a larger storage partition. Actually, I usually do two or three OS partitions, since I like to mess around with alternate OS's. tongue.gif
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kramy.... i do nto understand what you are saying

your reply to what i said
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OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Windows 10 Enterprise  Prolite GB2488HSU Prolite GB2488HSU Prolite GB2488HSU 
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Razer Corsair AX860 Fractal Design R4 Razer Mamba 
Audio
Razer 
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1055T Gigabyte 990fx UD5 corsair 4 x 2 GiG 2 x 1 terabyte Western Black 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
3 x 500 gig WD Black Pix Fractal Design Fans x 2 Server 2012 
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mstsc mstsc 400 watt corsair Fractal Design R5 
MouseOtherOtherOther
mstsc EATON 5110 UPS StarView SV231UADVI KVM LSI controller card 4 port 
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Intel DualPort Gigabit NIC PRO1000PT 
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4790K Asus z97 Hero Gigabyte 980Ti 6gb Kingston Hyper X 2400 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
M500 M500 OCZ ARC H100i 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Windows 10 Enterprise  Prolite GB2488HSU Prolite GB2488HSU Prolite GB2488HSU 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Razer Corsair AX860 Fractal Design R4 Razer Mamba 
Audio
Razer 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
1055T Gigabyte 990fx UD5 corsair 4 x 2 GiG 2 x 1 terabyte Western Black 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
3 x 500 gig WD Black Pix Fractal Design Fans x 2 Server 2012 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
mstsc mstsc 400 watt corsair Fractal Design R5 
MouseOtherOtherOther
mstsc EATON 5110 UPS StarView SV231UADVI KVM LSI controller card 4 port 
Other
Intel DualPort Gigabit NIC PRO1000PT 
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