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Thanks both levontraut and Kramy.

@ Kramy:

How would I go about setting up the array? So disconnect both the Seagate drive and the Green drive, put both black drives in SATA0 and SATA1 and then setup the raid? Then install OS, then install both Green and Seagate drive. Do I have this correct?

@levontraut

Is CPU speed the big determination regarding perfromance to the RAID setup? Will I notice performance increase? If so, then I will then OC.
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Can't you just get a 20GB SSD (for the OS) and then get a 1TB+ for games, music, videos etc.
    
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Can't you just get a 20GB SSD (for the OS) and then get a 1TB+ for games, music, videos etc.
Not quite enough for what I want. Separate HDD for games did improve performance, but I am wanting to have both read and write times improved. Game's, to video recording, etc.
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Fair enough you should have a look at 10000rpm HDDs they are almost as fast as SSD and they are cheaper
    
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Originally Posted by levontraut View Post
kramy.... i do nto understand what you are saying

your reply to what i said
If you go from 3 to 4 or even 5 drives, performance still goes up. You don't lose performance - you don't gain as much.

And the reduced efficiency is not because of your CPU - it'll be because your southbridge (SATA controller) is nearly maxed out.

When I benchmark my drive, my CPU usage clocks in at almost 1.5%. With a 4 drive RAID array I'd be somewhere around 6-7% probably. Do keep in mind that RAID-0 and RAID-1 are the simplest forms of RAID.
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@ Kramy:

How would I go about setting up the array? So disconnect both the Seagate drive and the Green drive, put both black drives in SATA0 and SATA1 and then setup the raid? Then install OS, then install both Green and Seagate drive. Do I have this correct?
Yep, you nailed it. Don't forget to correct the boot order in the BIOS after reconnecting the other drives. And if they don't show up in Windows, don't panic - just assign them drive letters from Disk Management.

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Can't you just get a 20GB SSD (for the OS) and then get a 1TB+ for games, music, videos etc.
Yeah. But how does that help the games load faster or stutter less?

"Hey guys, I need a 2TB storage drive for vid..."

"SSD!"



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Not quite enough for what I want. Separate HDD for games did improve performance, but I am wanting to have both read and write times improved. Game's, to video recording, etc.

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Fair enough you should have a look at 10000rpm HDDs they are almost as fast as SSD and they are cheaper
Well... SSDs are still about 20x faster. If that's "almost" as fast, then... I suppose you could look into them.

But for some of the things you listed - like FRAPS footage - a fast 7200RPM drive (WD 1TB Black) will outperform the Raptor. In RAID, the difference will be even bigger.
     
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Fair enough you should have a look at 10000rpm HDDs they are almost as fast as SSD and they are cheaper
Initial plan was two 150gb WD Raptors (they where on sale) and Raid0 those bad boys. But... Money is a tad tight. There was also the beautiful thought about getting two 300 - 450Gb Cheeta Drives and get a SAS/RAID card and have my fun with them... But that would end up costing me around $600. Enough that I can get a good SSD drive....

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If you go from 3 to 4 or even 5 drives, performance still goes up. You don't lose performance - you don't gain as much.

And the reduced efficiency is not because of your CPU - it'll be because your southbridge (SATA controller) is nearly maxed out.

When I benchmark my drive, my CPU usage clocks in at almost 1.5%. With a 4 drive RAID array I'd be somewhere around 6-7% probably. Do keep in mind that RAID-0 and RAID-1 are the simplest forms of RAID.
Good to know. Will mark this down for future info/input for others.

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Yep, you nailed it. Don't forget to correct the boot order in the BIOS after reconnecting the other drives. And if they don't show up in Windows, don't panic - just assign them drive letters from Disk Management.
I am not worried about the later part. I ran into this issue various times in the past 10 years. Thanks for the input.

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But for some of the things you listed - like FRAPS footage - a fast 7200RPM drive (WD 1TB Black) will outperform the Raptor. In RAID, the difference will be even bigger.
Exactly what was my thinking. But never actually done it, and hope to do it this weekend.

I guess the first thing I should do is update my motherboards RAID drivers?
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@ Kramy

i see we are more or less on the same page.

@ OP

what you sugested to do to creat the raid is probably the best way to do it so you do not mix the hdd's up when creating the raid array.


steps to create the raid array.

plug in hdd's that you are going to use in the raid array

switch on power and go into bios.

setup bios that the hdds are set up as raid

hit F10 and save or save and exit - same thing

the pc will reboot

hit crtl + i when it says so

then create raid type

select disks

name raid what ever you want to call it

select size

save


you can use your default drives that are on the board or install the latest version

then install OS

once done install the other hdd's


done
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post #18 of 23
Quote:
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Initial plan was two 150gb WD Raptors (they where on sale) and Raid0 those bad boys. But... Money is a tad tight.
Not much point. Older Raptors aren't that fast... Two 1TB Blacks would probably kick their butts.

-> http://www.overclock.net/hard-drives...l#post14349850

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There was also the beautiful thought about getting two 300 - 450Gb Cheeta Drives and get a SAS/RAID card and have my fun with them... But that would end up costing me around $600. Enough that I can get a good SSD drive....
Yeah, if you're getting into that price range, SSDs are definitely the better way to go.

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I guess the first thing I should do is update my motherboards RAID drivers?
Yeah... locate and download the drivers that you require on a USB stick.

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steps to create the raid array.
Also, write down all the settings used. (like stripe size)

If you ever have issues with your RAID, you can use that info to recover your data. It's not likely you'll have issues, but it's still worth it to plan ahead.
     
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What should the Stripe size be?

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@ Kramy

i just used std size blocks

i also never did short stroke them etc...

as in problems with crashing... i did have issues when my OC was unstable as i would bsod and it would corrupt the data on the disks but, when i got the OC stable it was alright. never had an issue sinse then.

but tbh i am not running a raid setup as i got a single ssd and do not have the need too.


AND MY COFFEE HAS RUN OUT SO I NEED TO MAKE A NEW CUP SO I AM A LITTLE UPSET

anyway carrying on.

if you do have a spare hdd laying around that is in good condition use that as a backup. the last thing you want to do is loose all your data.

i got 3 hdd's setup for my backup just incase as i do not want to loose my wedding pics etc..

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What should the Stripe size be?

+1 rep to both of you.


use the default settings. there is nothing wrong with them, and they work pretty well. and just use the full allowance if you want to .

but

if you want pure performance i would not go over 120 gig you can ush it to 160 but you will lose a bit of performance.

with short stroking them, you set it up that is uses the out part of the platers and there for getting the full performance of the hdd's
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