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Pretty pointless and waste of time, this article, if you ask me. Newer architecture is designed to run multiple cores, not single core. In addition to not all of us use just single threaded application anymore, many of us encode, decode, etc for many hours so we couldn't care less about single core performance.
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Pretty pointless and waste of time, this article, if you ask me. Newer architecture is designed to run multiple cores, not single core. In addition to not all of us use just single threaded application anymore, many of us encode, decode, etc for many hours so we couldn't care less about single core performance.
Why would you NOT care about single core performance? This chart very handily shows you what you can expect out of any chip and how things stack up.

All I do with my PCs is high end CGI work, mainly lighting and rendering. I can truly use a limitless amount of cores to their fullest potential. That STILL doesn't mean I shouldn't care about how each of those cores can perform. Besides, even in the CGI world where every application is coded to use endless amounts of threads in perfect harmony, lots of the operations performed are still single threaded after all these years and from many accounts, will remain so for a long time to come.

Single core performance is always an important consideration.

Sure, you need to keep in mind the amount of cores that each of these processors has to offer while reading this article...but not by any shot of the imagination is this information not useful.
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I'm not buying into this.

These processors all have different HyperTransport/bus speeds, not to mention the completely different memory modules in each setup. For example, this is in their "test setup":



They're using 4 DDR2 memory modules in their older setups, which would stress the crap out of the IMC on both of the older AMD dual cores, yet they're using the optimal 3 modules for the tri-channel 1366 CPUs and 2 modules for dual-channel CPUs. That renders this article worthless, as well as the fact that there are even more variables to take into account, like those I mentioned above.

Also I don't see the Kuma in this comparison, which was a beast competing with quad cores/high end dual cores at the time in some applications. It beat my 965 BE at a higher clockspeed from what I remember, it should've replaced the 5400+ BE in this comparison.
Can people never be satisfied?

You can only take benchmarks so far. For all intents and purposes, a CPU "clock-for-clock" comparison assumes a "standard" system configuration. By your logic, you can never do a direct comparison between platforms unless it's simplified beyond the point that anyone would ever use it.

IMHO, if a system is configured as an end-user would have (i.e., if it's a dual-channel system and the test system runs in dual channel vs. a tri-channel and the test system runs in tri-channel), and then compared at the same clock speed with the same number of cores, that's about as fair as you can make it. What's the point in doing cross-platform studies and benchmarks with configurations that no normal user would have/use?

If you really need a "cpu-only" benchmark, then just compare superpi 512k times or something like that.
    
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Its funny how the only people are upsett by this artical are the people with AMD CPU's. lol

They say every benchmark and video game are not optimized for AMD and just Intel or Nvidia bias.

The graph is stating what we already know that Intel is superior to AMD. That's fact, no need for the tests really as everyone with half a brain knows that.
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Can people never be satisfied?

You can only take benchmarks so far. For all intents and purposes, a CPU "clock-for-clock" comparison assumes a "standard" system configuration. By your logic, you can never do a direct comparison between platforms unless it's simplified beyond the point that anyone would ever use it.

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If you really need a "cpu-only" benchmark, then just compare superpi 512k times or something like that.
Uhh no...

Clock for clock means just that: a comparison done at identical clock speeds. If you're going to make an article beyond just another "mock-up/draft", bus speeds are just as important as the core clocks, and same goes for the memory (downclock it to 800MHz across the board, then we'll talk about who has the best architecture instead of a bandwidth advantage).

Even if putting all this aside, for them to use 4 memory modules on a dual-channel DDR2 IMC is a step too far. "Normal user" setups are irrelevant here, as they would take no interest in this article.

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Its funny how the only people are upsett by this artical are the people with AMD CPU's. lol
It's also funny that the only people who wet their pants over these kinds of results, are people with Intel CPUs. "lol"...
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Interesting article, just for entertainment purposes. Probably says as much about the usefulness of benchmarks they chose as much as anything.

Question for anyone still following the thread, How many of you would buy a single core instead of a quad if it had the relative performance of say a c2d running at 12 Ghz?
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Question for anyone still following the thread, How many of you would buy a single core instead of a quad if it had the relative performance of say a c2d running at 12 Ghz?


Guilty...

That would skyrocket performance in poorly threaded applications. In games for example, Flight Simulator or WoW would respond way better to one insanely clocked single core instead of a modest dual/quad. Even if was just for a few uses, I'd love to get one just for the hell of it, hehe.
    
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Lol, imagine converting files in iTunes with a 12Ghz core
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I would think getting an SSD would be a reason to overclock, eliminating another bottleneck in the system. I only don't have mine OCed because I have the stock cooler right now , not to mention the heatwave we just went through.
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I would think getting an SSD would be a reason to overclock, eliminating another bottleneck in the system. I only don't have mine OCed because I have the stock cooler right now , not to mention the heatwave we just went through.
But in all seriousness, like I said, I haven't had the time to play with my rig. I don't game much anymore and I haven't started my big/demanding photo projects yet.

For the little projects I am doing, my HDD was my bottleneck. An SSD fixed that.

Don't get me wrong, I AM a performance junkie. Everything is already so responsive I won't see the difference in daily tasks.
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