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This is true, but the difference shrinks the fewer cores are used and the less memory performance becomes a factor.

I do think there could have been some improvements in the testing methodology, but the final results are unlikely to change to an appreciable degree.
Agreed, everything should be done with the optimal set up for each set up, 2 channel RAM DDR3 for AM3, 1156 and 1155, 2 channel RAM DRR2 for Core 2/Pentium D (FSB limits DDR3), 3 channel DDR3 for 1366.
    
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show us something we all don't know!!!
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There is a bigger gap between Phenom II and Athlon II in gaming scenarios.

We already know AMD CPUs tend to not do as well in synthetic benchmarks. The architecture is just older. They need to come out with something newer.
Generally thats because of the difference in stock clocks.

Clock for clock Phenom II isn't much different than Athlon II.

Phenom II clocks higher, and is higher binned though.

The only real difference between the two is overclocking and L3.
    
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seeing this makes me think amd really is gonna make a good comeback here in September. Its gonna be the first time in YEARRRSSSS , that they actually remade their entire architecture. I got that feeling...... that they are gonna amaze us with bulldozer
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this also isn't fair in regards to HT, ht capable intels should have had 2 virtual cores enabled but restrained to 1 physical
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many of the results end up being more theoretical in nature than anything else. Naturally, a threaded app will take advantage of more than one core, and if you can get more cores in an AMD processor than an Intel CPU at the same price, the performance situation is going to change.
So basically this test is to prove, "hey look how much the P4 sucks" and really not much else...
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Good to see my E6850 kills any AMD CPU quite easily
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Generally thats because of the difference in stock clocks.

Clock for clock Phenom II isn't much different than Athlon II.

Phenom II clocks higher, and is higher binned though.

The only real difference between the two is overclocking and L3.
I was basing it off of Tom's 3DMark 11 scores at 3GHz.



At least in 3DMark 11, there is a somewhat sizeable difference between Athlon II and Phenom II. I agree with you that the difference between Athlon II and Phenom II is almost nothing in other tasks.

The L3 cache helps more in scenarios where data being fed to the CPU cannot be predicted as easily like in gaming.
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Yeah there are a lot of things you could nitpick with this, clock ceiling is obviously one of them.

NB also factors in for several of the chips, more than likely the AMD chips and 1156/1366 chips were running at stock nb frequencies while the SB chips were running underclocked northbridges.

With sandy the nb speed is tied directly to the clock speed, so while the ram performance may not have matter much, the cache speeds and latancy is greatly affected by this.
3.3GHz


4.8GHz



The only thing that changed here was I disabled turbo, however the gains across the board are clearly seen.
    
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Considering this test shows an A64 X2 being FAR superior to a PII x4 and PII x6 leaves me unable to take this seriously at all.

But that doesn't mean I don't agree with the end results really. We all know Intel is ahead of AMD, we didn't need a horribly failed test to tell us that though.

So people can stop whining. There are 3 types of people in this thread right now, the reasonable ones which can agree theres some faults with the tests but the general outcome is pretty much as expected (Intels newer archs and bigger updates outpaced AMD's bandaid updates of the A64 arch), then theres AMD fanboys who are freaking out and whining nonstop about how this is messed up and thats messed up and AMD is much better than this shows, toms is garbage idiots (toms is bad, but getting so irritated is unreasonable), then theres the intel fanboys who cherry pick the few bad responses as to why this testing is bad to point out how thats not the case, yet totally ignoring the glaring and obviously flawed test where A64 X2 is nearly double a PII...

Some of us are trying to have a mature conversation, the latter two groups need to grow up and keep their mouths shut me thinks.
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