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Im surprised they would be so gracious as to include my chip in their at the fight!!! eek.gif

I do know that my OC on my dual core i5 and single GTX460 OC hit a higher overall score in 3Dmark Vantage then my friends stock clocked GTX460 and i7 920...until i bumbped his to 4.2Ghz and SLI 460s each with a 850core and 2000 on the memory biggrin.gif


I think they should re do this test when Ivy and Bulldozer hit the markets. IMO even the current gen sandybridges will give bulldozer a run for its money.

DISCLAIMER **(strictly my opinion and im entitled to it and yes I R intel fanboy..because it works for me and me like it)**

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It seems to me that they are preoccupied with AES encryption - which is not used in any real world tasks that most people would use. Of course, the problem is that Intel benches better because of AES, but what happens next year (or whenever) when AES entirely fails, and they move on to something else?
AES encryption is getting more common with disk encryption. Then again, encyption has never been a mainstream issue.... but it does benefit in server environments.

When is AES going to fail in the near future? Who expects it to fail soon? Why not add a relatively cheap feature that will last for at least a decade?

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The benchmark does not consider price, and around here, Intel products are at least double the price of AMD, perhaps even triple. One can get a pretty good AMD processor for $200, while $600 is some mediocre Intel offering. Of course, AMD gets undercut with the new Celeron offerings - which might be cool if you want inadequate performance, just like the Atom offers inferior performance to AMDs low power offerings.
This obviously is not a price comparision since they are limiting almost all the chips. You don't compare core-to-core while comparing price.



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Some of the benchmark is bogus - like the OCR tests, like, ooooh, ahhhh, I need an overpriced Intel because it can OCR a document like one second faster - while the secretary that is doing the job will invest that time savings into coming in late, leaving early, and avoiding work of all kinds.
It's a benchmark.... with the purpose of benchmarking performance in a specific task. OCR is a common benchmark.

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I don't know if they quashed all of the problems out of the benchmark, like are all systems tested using the exact same Windows setup, exact same drivers, exact same BIOS settings, and so on?
They can't use the exact same drivers and BIOS settings. However, the impact of such is pretty limited.


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However, it does show that AMD needs to really come to terms with performance per clock cycle performance, where Intel appears to be better off, because if they do not, their newest Bulldozer will look pale in comparison to the aging i7 "flagship", especially since Intel may still pull the i9 and i11 out of the hat with the next big thing...
BD will be a big point in AMD's life. After all these years of R&D, can they compete?

Intel has no mention of "i9" or "i11" in any marketing ever.... They will just recycle existing nomeclature (which I believe is stupid and obfuscating).
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This just in : All that stuff about AMD saying their cores were meant to work together, it wasn't a load of bull. They really are meant to work together, it seems.
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Not surprised
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Don't get why people are so hung up on IPC. Completely irrelevant when chip A can outclock chip B by 500mhz and stay in the same thermal and power envelope.

Also Thuban is slower cpc than Deneb by a good margin so no idea how they managed those results.
Edited by el gappo - 7/26/11 at 6:44am
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I'm not saying that Tom's hardware didn't change from their "older" days, but I hate it when people around here jump on the bandwagon and crap all over them when it's really not necessary or called for. Sure, we all "knew" that since the Core2 days, intel has had a leg-up on AMD clock-for-clock. But at least if some noob member comes in asking about differences, now there's a relatively simple study that actually shows it.

Personally, I found it interesting to see the vast difference (it was bigger than I thought it was) in some case, and not much in others.

Regarding the "why bother testing only one core when everything these days is multi-threaded," then you just missed the point of the issue of clock-for-clock comparison. And the performance of everything doesn't necessarily scale with core count, so it's nice to see where the starting point is.

It would, however, be nice to see a 3-dimensional study, where cores are enabled one-by-one for each CPU in each benchmark to see where a trade-off or crossover (if at all) occurs on number of cores vs. performance, and perhaps see it correlated to price as well. But that would take a lot of time, and some "interesting" ways of showing the data graphically without needing 30 pages of results. I imagine the apparent differences between the intel and amd architectures might get a bit closer than is illustrated in some of the results shown when taking into account core count.

One thing that did bother me about some of the graph results is that in the individual test results, tom's decided to both group Intel and AMD CPU's, but also color-code them. Would have been nice to just have ascending/descending results plots with color-coded cpu's.

Anyhoo, tldr; nothing we all didn't already "know." But at least we have a "how much" factor to point people at if they ask...
    
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The sad thing is that SB has the best performance/clock and by far the highest clock speed when OC'd. Anything limited to 4 cores will be won by SB. Where is Bulldozer?

EDIT: The Tom's hate is not because of the things they test, but rather the obvious mistakes they make and things they forget. Their testers don't know enough about the things they're working with.
Edited by B!0HaZard - 7/26/11 at 6:53am
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Don't get why people are so hung up on IPC. Completely irrelevant when chip A can outclock chip B by 500mhz and stay in the same thermal and power envelope.

Also Thuban is slower cpc than Deneb by a good margin so no idea how they managed those results.
Chip A (SB) can obviously outlclock chip B (PHII). There is one word for this. Architecture.
However I ask why would Deneb have faster per core performance when Thuban is based on Deneb?

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This just in: Intel have newer technology. No one is shocked.
Fixed.
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So you believe AMD currently makes a CPU that can beat a modern Intel CPU? Yeah, Tom's must be super biased because everybody knows Thuban is better than SB!!!
/facepalm. I never said such a thing,you did. Toms is often Intel biased.
PHII is on par with the C2Q and Core i5,both are modern CPU's.
Edited by Heavy MG - 7/26/11 at 7:13am
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It's toms hardware,what do you expect? There isn't much point in testing single core performance when most applications work with 2 or more.





Synthetic Intel optimized benchmarks.
So you believe AMD currently makes a CPU that can beat a modern Intel CPU? Yeah, Tom's must be super biased because everybody knows Thuban is better than SB!!!
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So you believe AMD currently makes a CPU that can beat a modern Intel CPU? Yeah, Tom's must be super biased because everybody knows Thuban is better than SB!!!
I do. AMD kicks Intel CPUs in IGP!
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