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maybe that's true for overclocked AMD CPUs to beat Intel CPUs at stock.

It's also about getting the FASTEST chip and overclock it BEYOND the word FASTEST
No, in the early days of using jumpers to overclock it was all about buying say, a Pentium MXX 166 and clocking it at 200Mhz or even 233Mhz, or the epic Celerons and Durons, cheaper by far than the Pentium III or Athlon Classic/Thunderbird and overclocked way higher.

And iirc the 965, etc match the Celeron at stock simply due to having more cores, cache, etc.
Edited by Brutuz - 7/28/11 at 7:12pm
    
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Despite what the title of their article claims, they CANNOT compare CPU architectures ACROSS architectures in an apples-to-apples manner, no matter what you try to even out between them. You can compare platforms. Platforms you can use in real life. There's nothing you can do to guarantee even testing across the board, and it doesn't correlate to how a system is run normally--so it's irrelevant to even try.


One example: http://www.behardware.com/articles/6...hitecture.html
I didn't bother to look it up for Nehalem, sandy bridge, phenom II, etc., but rest assured, the numbers are known and readily available--I'm not going to waste my time looking all of them up, though I'm sure you're going to gripe about it.


If you paid attention, I pre-empted that point in my previous post, saying that lots of applications are still single-threaded, or cannot properly take advantage of multiple cores, so it IS relevant to see how performance compares with a single core only. What's not relevant is down-clocking memory and FSB speeds, and limiting a system to single-channel memory when no one would ever run a system like that.

Your idea of evening out comparisons would have no bearing on real performance. If someone comes in here asking "what's the difference between *this* setup and *that* setup," do you think they would care about how they perform under configurations that no one would run them at?


The "number" differences might slightly change, but the trend would be the same.


Then assume they'd tweak the IMC voltage to achieve stability--it doesn't affect ability of a CPU to run properly.
TLDR. You're repeating the same things you've already stated earlier, and I've already explained to you my reasoning (because this is an ARCHITECTURE COMPARISON) and your "calculations per core" source example wasn't even from the manufacturer. I'll call it a day with this argument before this sparks another flamewar. The "trend" for Intel would be the same, as I've told you about a million times, I don't know why or what you're arguing against me for when I never said anything bad about your precious Intel; their AMD tested setups are flatout wrong, and the below "results" prove this.


I was thinking about replying in their comments/forums section, but I saw they were already deleting a load of other constructive comments for little to no reason, which is no surprise, so I won't bother. Also, putting this whole article aside, they're already been called out on being biased, wrong or deliberately ignorant multiple times with some of their GPU/PSU articles, so they're not what I personally consider a reliable source.

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^again with the price/performance. it's the only argument the AMD side has, really.
why is that? because AMD cannot compete in pure performance, so they have to sell their chips for cheap
No kidding...That's because for most people, that's the only argument that matters. Even if I was building a system now, chances are if it was on a budget, I would've got an AMD-based system, if it wasn't, I would've got an Intel.
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Remember kids, fanboyism is a disease. Symptoms include blind devotion, twisted logic, irrational anger, and lack of female companionship. If you have an erection lasting longer than four hours, consult your doctor.

(Yes, it applies. Think about it.)
    
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Maybe one day on OCN a benchmark could be shared without starting a Fanboy war, it's pretty immature.

Also, why is the 2600k faster than the 2500k? Aren't they the same architecture?
    
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Also, why is the 2600k faster than the 2500k? Aren't they the same architecture?
They are, but the i7 2600k - in addition to HT which was ignored in this test - has 2MB more of L3 Cache (when compared to the i5 2500k), slightly improving upon its performance.
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They are, but the i7 2600k - in addition to HT which was ignored in this test - has 2MB more of L3 Cache (when compared to the i5 2500k), slightly improving upon its performance.
Ahh yes, forgot about that.
    
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Not surprised, because:

1) Intel has more money (aaah the old days when Intel made plethora-llions out of M$)
2) Intel has better tech (read the above)
3) Intel started one gen earlier (AMD jumped the game when Intel were already a gen ahead)
4) Intel has higher IPC (read the three above)

On top of that, it's a Tom's article. Tom's known to be Intel-nVIDIA biased, so no surprise here either.

Even if fact is that Intel is faster than AMD.
   
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Why exactly did they use a C2D, but none of the C2Q CPUs...?
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their AMD tested setups are flatout wrong, and the below "results" prove this.
A singular anomalous test (and the least CPU dependent one on top of that) does not invalidate the trend established by a dozen others.

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Why exactly did they use a C2D, but none of the C2Q CPUs...?
Because they were testing one core.

With only 1 core enabled there is zero difference between a Conroe and Kentsfield, or a Wolfdale and a Yorktown.

Indeed, the C2Q are simply two C2D dies on the same package.
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Originally Posted by Blameless View Post
A singular anomalous test (and the least CPU dependent one on top of that) does not invalidate the trend established by a dozen others.
They're suggesting a Pentium 4 will handle GPUs better than an Athlon II, which is the biggest load of horse manure I've seen in any article to date, and invalidates just about everything in it. If you disagree with that, either you're a rabid fanboy or just insane. And they've either deliberately "bottlenecked" their AMD systems or there is something seriously wrong with them, and I very much doubt it is the latter unless they bought their AMD parts for this test off fleeBay.
Edited by Am* - 7/30/11 at 11:42am
    
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