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That's an extremely interesting article! Thanks for posting!
     
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Originally Posted by EvanPitts;14351144 
One can get a pretty good AMD processor for $200, while $600 is some mediocre Intel offering.

I don't know where you shop but a Core i5 2500k can be purchased for $179.99 without rebate at my local Micro Center.

Core i5 2500k @ $179.99 + decent mobo ~ $100 to $200 + 8GB DDR3-160 ~$90 = $370 to $470 for a pretty good Intel system.
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Originally Posted by EvanPitts;14351144 
IThe benchmark does not consider price, and around here, Intel products are at least double the price of AMD, perhaps even triple. One can get a pretty good AMD processor for $200, while $600 is some mediocre Intel offering. Of course, AMD gets undercut with the new Celeron offerings - which might be cool if you want inadequate performance, just like the Atom offers inferior performance to AMDs low power offerings.

I'm sorry...I'm not fanboy of any company, but this is a completely absurd paragraph when Intel has offerings like the 2500k for $200.

Until Bulldozer gets released, I personally don't understand how AMD is selling anything other than Llano APUs right now. Intel has products at all the price points AMD does which all outperform the hell out of the AMD stuff.

For the record, I'm not a fan of that...would rather they had some serious competition. I'm hoping that Bulldozer does well. I'm sure the top end BD chip won't quite match the 2600k, but at least Intel will see AMD nipping their heels once again.
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Wonder why they chose 2 clarkdales, but no non-HT lynnfield.
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What I found most interesting about these tests is that the Sandy Bridge represents the first significant improvement in single threaded and per-clock performance (from both companies) since 2007.

It's obvious both Intel and AMD have been concentrating on improving multi-threaded performance for the past 5 years, and are now realizing that will only take them so far.
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Originally Posted by el gappo;14351758 
Looser cache timings, less cache per core. Thuban runs slacker than Deneb.

There is 1 word for this. Derp.

Pretty sure thuban is better generally, due to a better Memory Controller.
    
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Originally Posted by kweechy;14352807 
I'm sorry...I'm not fanboy of any company, but this is a completely absurd paragraph when Intel has offerings like the 2500k for $200.

Not around here. The only $200 stuff Intel sells in this country are very weak offerings, like ancient Pentium stuff, or old CoreDuo stuff at a discount, because no one wants them. The lowest cost usable Intel is weak stuff, like the i3, which would be $400 - while something decent is more like $800-1000.
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Until Bulldozer gets released, I personally don't understand how AMD is selling anything other than Llano APUs right now. Intel has products at all the price points AMD does which all outperform the hell out of the AMD stuff.

AMD is selling because at lower price points, they make a superior product. The Neo is far better and more usable than the Atom, and the Athlon II blows the doors off of garbage like the duo-Pentium.

Not only that, but AMD doesn't force integrated graphics down everyone's throat - because nothing is worse than Intel's GMA garbage. Even the weakest AMD APU, running on the weakest processor, blows the doors off of sluggish, shared memory Intel offerings - that are embarrassingly weak.
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I'm sure the top end BD chip won't quite match the 2600k, but at least Intel will see AMD nipping their heels once again.

Intel needs the competition, because they have been lax themselves, content with offering obsolescence like the i3/i5/i7 stuff when people want real improvements, like the i9 and i11 - which would be really Extreme, and not just some marketing ballyhoo like their Extreme i7 weakness.
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There is so much butt hurt in this thread.

"They didn't consider the prices"
"The AMD cores work together"
"Biased test"

The test, tests a CPUs core ability clock per clock. They even state in the article:
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and if you can get more cores in an AMD processor than an Intel CPU at the same price, the performance situation is going to change.

Stop crying. Clock per clock, intel cores are better. That is all this proves. Nothing about price, nothing about multiple cores, nothing else.
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Originally Posted by el gappo;14351758 
Not within the same TDP it can't.

Looser cache timings, less cache per core. Thuban runs slacker than Deneb.

There is 1 word for this. Derp.
Got a source for that? Thuban has a improved IMC.
Thuban has the same amount of L2 cache per core. 6x512Kb. Both have 6MB of L3 cache, L3 cache doesn't do much of anything until you run a game.
Utilize four cores on both and you'll find no difference.
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Originally Posted by bigkahuna360;14351731 
I dont know really how to read this graph...
Intel- llll
Pentium 4-lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
AMD-llllll
(Less is better)
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Originally Posted by pursuinginsanity;14353573 
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here.. But are you suggesting SB can't out-clock Deneb (or Thuban) within the same TDP?
SB would outclock a Thuban X6,SB has 2 less cores,is 32nm.,and has a lower TDP.
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Originally Posted by el gappo;14351758 
Not within the same TDP it can't.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here.. But are you suggesting SB can't out-clock Deneb (or Thuban) within the same TDP?
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Originally Posted by Heavy MG;14353567 
SB would outclock a Thuban X6,SB has 2 less cores,is 32nm.,and has a lower TDP.

It will outclock a Deneb, too, and use less power at ~4.5ghz than the deneb does at stock. Which is why his statement left me puzzled.
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