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Originally Posted by linkin93 View Post
Intel Pentium 4 HT 660: 584
AMD Athlon II X4 645: 962


And the older ones still beat the P4. What is this verbal diarrhoea they are spouting?
Your celebrating that a quad core beats a P4?

Intel has superior tech that's all there is to it.

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Originally Posted by Heavy MG View Post
BS graph is BS.
Lulz, another in denial that Intel is far better than AMD. I don't understand why anyone would argue that point. Why not just buy the best CPU no matter who makes it?
Edited by Dimaggio1103 - 7/26/11 at 4:06pm
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Performance of what..? A single core right?. Is that core 1/4 the size of the die, or 1/6th the size?

Are u actually saying a single large core (in a 1 core test) doesn't have an advantage over a smaller core? (That the size of the piston has no bearing on the engine?)

Please don't tell me that core size, has no factor on a cores computational ability.
Well of course those factors affect single core performance. Did I ever try to deny that?

What I'm saying is that this article by Tom's is only about the single core performance of the 16 processors. Of course some processors have a different amount of transistors and some are made on a smaller process etc. but that's the whole point in a way: comparing the single core perf of different processors.

Their graphs tell you a name of the processor and the performance of a single core on that processor. That was the entire idea. If the idea behind the article would have been to measure perf/transistor count etc. I'd agree with you.

The results tell you the performance and only the performance and after that you can explain the results by the other factors. How hard can it be to understand that?
 
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So Thuban and Deneb aren't even faster CPC than 2006 C2Ds and above? I expected better honestly.
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Exactly as I expected. AMD is around 5 years behind in the CPU game when it comes to clock for clock performance.
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Makes no sense to me, anyone feel the same? My P4 can't even handle 720p xvid's...
    
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It's toms hardware,what do you expect? There isn't much point in testing single core performance when most applications work with 2 or more.





Synthetic Intel optimized benchmarks.
You seem to have missed the point of the Article.

It is to test the architecture of certain cpu's at the same speed.

The results are just plain embarrasing for AMD, their best are struggling to overcome 4 year old Intel Dual cores. Anybody who denies this is just a butthurt fanboy.

Leave the fanboyism out dude.
Edited by Armand Hammer - 7/26/11 at 5:50pm
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Core physical size doesn't really matter.... what it can do is more important than how big it is. (LOL.... )

i.e. Is it fair to compare a SB with a PCIe controller vs a Phenom II without one?
Wouldn't intel end up with an even better score? Yes?

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it's toms afterall
Very good point.

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Yeah...I just posted it...
When they (gulftown) where released a lot of them were killed like that. Exact same test core to core performance, or 32nm vs 45nm single core.
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This is pretty cool. I wish they had included more CPUs in the same families but with varying cache sizes though. I.e. toss in a Core 2 based Celeron or a Sempron. Also, I doubt it'd affect performance, but they could toss in some server CPUs too.
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If anyone ever, ever tries saying that an Athlon 64 X2 is going to bottleneck someone else's 5850/460, I'm going to point them to this.

Or people wondering whether to get which Phenom II to go with said GPU's, I'm also gonna point 'em to this and say "Get an AM2 Mobo and Athlon 64 X3".

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I'm not buying into this.

These processors all have different HyperTransport/bus speeds, not to mention the completely different memory modules in each setup. For example, this is in their "test setup":

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DDR3 RAM (Dual-Channel)2 x 4 GB DDR3-1333, Kingston HyperX KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX

DDR3 RAM (Triple-Channel)3 x 4 GB DDR3-1333, Kingston HyperX KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX
They're using 4 DDR2 memory modules in their older setups, which would stress the crap out of the IMC on both of the older AMD dual cores, yet they're using the optimal 3 modules for the tri-channel 1366 CPUs and 2 modules for dual-channel CPUs. That renders this article worthless, as well as the fact that there are even more variables to take into account, like those I mentioned above.

Also I don't see the Kuma in this comparison, which was a beast competing with quad cores/high end dual cores at the time in some applications. It beat my 965 BE at a higher clockspeed from what I remember, it should've replaced the 5400+ BE in this comparison. So wish I still had it, probably the best dual core I've ever used.
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