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Imagine if we "created" a universe where events had kept humanity in the stone age. I'd think that companies would really love to strip mine the crap out of that planet.
Oil crysis solved. "Oops...we need more oil. Hey can you stop time again?"
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post #102 of 200
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Hold on... if experiences and sensations are not reproducable, then what are drawings, movies, and other forms of expression? I can easily describe what happens in front of me during any given time, assuming all my wits are about me.
Aren't those produced, defined, and proven constantly?

Are you saying that the existence of the experience itself can't be proven tangibly or the experience can't be replicated?
Do you feel exactly the same way when you see a drawing today vs tomorrow?
Do you feel exactly the same way if you see a drawing in white lighting vs red lighting?
How do you measure this "feeling"?
Is your description of the experience the same each time?
Would someone else describe the same experience in the same way?
Did the other person experience it in the same way?
If you spoke another language like Chinese, would you describe it exactly the same?
If you were 60 years old, would you describe it the same as you would when 20 years old?

Not reproducable, Not measurable, Not objective = Not Science.

Drawings, movies, and other forms of expression are meant to be experienced... they are not an experience in of themselves. They need someone to experience them... and this is subjective.

The beauty of math/science is a 10 is a 10 is a 10 in most cases. In some cases, a 10 may not be a 10... but that would be due to a different number system which can be defined. If I said "10 in base 10" to any other person in the world, they would know exactly what is meant. There is no interpetation or subjective experience needed.
Edited by DuckieHo - 7/26/11 at 10:27am
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A meter and a second, etc, are all derived indirectly from the weight of The Kilogram, in France, which is defined as the unit of mass, from which all others are copied and derived.

The speed of light is derived from general relativity. A meter is defined as the distance light travels in some fraction of a second, and a second is derived from quantum energy equations.
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They are not perfectly reproduced, merely approximated. You can draw any number of interpretations out of a single piece of text or piece of music or film. Art is an artist attempting to create a work that recreates or enhances the emotions they feel in themselves or others. But no artist is truly satisfied with his work; trust me on that. Then we view that art through the lens of our own perceptions and experiences.

That is why no two people have the exact same reaction to a given piece of artwork.


Actually I reread it and realized you weren't talking about art in particular. Sorry. However, I'll leave it there.


Film is reproducing lightwaves and sound. Recording music is reproducing music. None of it exactly duplicates experience. For a simple example, a blind man will not experience a film in the same way as a sighted man.
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Do you feel exactly the same way when you see a drawing today vs tomorrow?
Do you feel exactly the same way if you see a drawing in white lighting vs red lighting?
How do you measure this "feeling"?
Is your description of the experience the same each time?
Would someone else describe the same experience in the same way?
Did the other person experience it in the same way?
If you spoke another language like Chinese, would you describe it exactly the same?
If you were 60 years old, would you describe it the same as you would when 20 years old?
Oh, I understand now. So essentially, approximate recreations (Experiences) < actual reproductions (Figures). Seems I was a bit frazzled.

Right on, good talk.
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post #106 of 200
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Originally Posted by Phaedrus2129
A meter and a second, etc, are all derived indirectly from the weight of The Kilogram, in France, which is defined as the unit of mass, from which all others are copied and derived.

The speed of light is derived from general relativity. A meter is defined as the distance light travels in some fraction of a second, and a second is derived from quantum energy equations.
There are actually more base units. And I'm quite sure you cannot find seconds and meter only using kg...
http://www.bipm.org/en/si/ ( for the exact actual definitions )

And yeah for the French !

EDIT:
There are seven base units of the SI:

metre m
The metre is the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time interval of 1/299 792 458 of a second.

kilogram kg
The kilogram is the unit of mass; it is equal to the mass of the international prototype of the kilogram.

second s
The second is the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom.

ampere A
The ampere is that constant current which, if maintained in two straight parallel conductors of infinite length, of negligible circular cross-section, and placed 1 m apart in vacuum, would produce between these conductors a force equal to 2 x 10–7 newton per metre of length.

kelvin K
The kelvin, unit of thermodynamic temperature, is the fraction 1/273.16 of the thermodynamic temperature of the triple point of water.

mole mol
1.The mole is the amount of substance of a system which contains as many elementary entities as there are atoms in 0.012 kilogram of carbon 12.
2.When the mole is used, the elementary entities must be specified and may be atoms, molecules, ions, electrons, other particles, or specified groups of such particles.

candela cd
The candela is the luminous intensity, in a given direction, of a source that emits monochromatic radiation of frequency 540 x 1012 hertz and that has a radiant intensity in that direction of 1/683 watt per steradian.
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There are actually more base units.
http://www.bipm.org/en/si/ ( for the exact actual definitions )

And yeah for the French !
Yes, but the Kilogram is the only one based on an actual physical object. The rest are based on natural constants.
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Originally Posted by Vagrant Storm View Post
Oil crysis solved. "Oops...we need more oil. Hey can you stop time again?"
With the infinite expanse of matter and energy in the universe I really can't see us needing to create more universes just for some oil. In fact, if so much as one combustion engine still burns fossil fuels when our grandchildren put us in the ground, I would take that as a complete an utter failure of the entire human race.

But I'm sure we can find all sorts of other excuses to stop time if we could lol
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What about Deja Vu? I've experienced events that haven't occured and yet I have a memory of them.
No, you think you've experienced events that haven't occurred. There is a difference.
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Do you feel exactly the same way when you see a drawing today vs tomorrow?
Do you feel exactly the same way if you see a drawing in white lighting vs red lighting?
How do you measure this "feeling"?
Is your description of the experience the same each time?
Would someone else describe the same experience in the same way?
Did the other person experience it in the same way?
If you spoke another language like Chinese, would you describe it exactly the same?
If you were 60 years old, would you describe it the same as you would when 20 years old?

Not reproducable, Not measurable, Not objective = Not Science.
Your point here is valid and clear. However, there are generalities and assumptions we can make about certain experiences when applied to the human body. Given a fully functional, developed, etc. human, it is safe to say there are general responses and reactions the nervous system will have based on different situations, experiences, or emotions. For example, when stress or pain is experienced, the response is measureable. These are easily measured and recorded and have been for many years. People are diagnosed with medical conditions based off these results from none other than the medical and scientific community.
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