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 Originally Posted by guyladouche No, you're completely misunderstanding the concept of the speed of light "c." The speed of light "c" is defined only for the medium it is traveling in, which is entirely dependent on the index of refraction for that particular medium. Do not get confused by the difference between the observer's frame of reference and the light's frame of reference. We might see the apparent speed of light in our frame of reference to be "infinite" for a medium that has an index of refraction of zero, but the speed of light within that medium is still "c." Theories only state that we cannot surpass "c." Theories do not state the absolute maximum speed that "c" can take on. You're probably recalling over and over the value of 3.0x10^8 m/s--that speed of light is only true for a vacuum (or near-vacuum, since you're bothered by the idea of a true vacuum), it is not true for any other medium. Look up things called Bose-Einstein Condensates--the speed of light for some of them have been slowed down to a mere tens of meters per second. But that speed is still "c," and you can still theoretically never surpass that within that medium. Actually, by definition, it's an entirely based assumption...on equations...that have been proven time and time again. Disagree all you want, you still can't disprove the theory. A theory only ever needs to be disproved in order to be invalid. It does not need to be proved for all possibilities in order to be validated. Your "feelings" on that are beside the point.
Well, I would like to state that I am not confused by "reference frames", I am not "recalling over and over", and I understand everthing thus far being discussed quite well, Thank You. These accusations and petty swipes at my intellect by you are all based on assumptions, exactly the same as your position on this subject is, which you freely admit:

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 Actually, by definition, it's an entirely based assumption
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 A theory only ever needs to be disproved in order to be invalid. It does not need to be proved for all possibilities in order to be validated.
OK, I believe that you honestly think that nothing needs to, or can be proven, and that all that is necessary is operate on assumptions. I happen to disagree with this viewpoint.I think that the little things matter. In light of the fact that assumptions and "close enough" is ok with you, what exactly are you trying to do here? If you beleive what you are saying, then you should be satisfied with anything that anybody says. After all, assumptions and unprovable theories are OK in your world.
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 Originally Posted by Jagged_Steel Well, I would like to state that I am not confused by "reference frames", I am not "recalling over and over", and I understand everthing thus far being discussed quite well, Thank You. These accusations and petty swipes at my intellect by you are all based on assumptions, exactly the same as your position on this subject is, which you freely admit: and that OK, I believe that you honestly think that nothing needs to, or can be proven, and that all that is necessary is operate on assumptions. I happen to disagree with this viewpoint.I think that the little things matter. In light of the fact that assumptions and "close enough" is ok with you, what exactly are you trying to do here? If you beleive what you are saying, then you should be satisfied with anything that anybody says. After all, assumptions and unprovable theories are OK in your world.
You're basically arguing against the Scientific Method....which makes you look dumb.
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 Originally Posted by lordikon No point in arguing with him, he spent about 20 posts in another thread trying to argue that absolutely nothing can be proven, even mathematics. Here's the thread if you'd like to see for yourself: http://www.overclock.net/technology-...-end-time.html
That sir is a complete and absolute lie. I never said or even insinuated anything of the sort.
I guess that by posting a really lengthy thread and saying "see- he said it- its there" you are thinking that most people will not bother to read the whole thread and simply take your lie as fact.
What you are doing is treating every single person who reads your post as a fool, as you expect them to believe an absolute lie. The proper thing for you to do would be to apologize to me and every member of this forum for this aggregious lack of civility.

While writing this I see that you have posted yet another complete fallacy:

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 Originally Posted by lordikon You're basically arguing against the Scientific Method....which makes you look dumb.
Please do not tell me what I am "arguing" about. I am not arguing about anything. I am stating my position on something. You however just lurk in the shadows and then throw out random insults and attacks. Please feel free to voice your opinion, if you have one, but please don't go around announcing what mine is, I am quite capable of doing that myself. Thank You.
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 Originally Posted by Jagged_Steel That sir is a complete and absolute lie. I never said or even insinuated anything of the sort. I guess that by posting a really lengthy thread and saying "see- he said it- its there" that most people will not bother to read the whole thread and simply take your lie as fact. What you are doing is treating every single person who reads your post as a fool, as you expect them to believe an absolute lie. The proper thing for you to do would be to apologize to me and every member of this forum for this aggregious lack of civility.
Strong words, but you spelled 'egregious' wrong.

Anyway, I argued that the mathematical value of a number, like 2, will always behave like the number 2. You though it would be cute to skirt around the issue and talk about different base number systems. You spent a good chunk of that entire thread arguing that nothing can really be assumed.

If I were lying to everyone I wouldn't have posted the link to the thread.
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So exactly how much light can you focus onto one point? Infinite or will it destroy something?
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 Originally Posted by XiDillon So exactly how much light can you focus onto one point? Infinite or will it destroy something?
Focus enough light onto a single point and you'll create matter. The Sun does this all the time internally with X-rays and Gamma rays.
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 Originally Posted by lordikon Focus enough light onto a single point and you'll create matter. The Sun does this all the time internally with X-rays and Gamma rays.
So what im getting here is that with a negative refraction you can redirect any light emitted through this material and basically create matter at its focus point whether its inside the material or beyond it. (?)
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 Originally Posted by lordikon Focus enough light onto a single point and you'll create matter. The Sun does this all the time internally with X-rays and Gamma rays.
This is new to me, where did you hear about this? Do you have any proof? The currently held theories about the sun that I am aware of say exactly the opposite of this, that matter is converted into energy in the sun, not the other way around.

Edit to add: I can't stop thinking about the "Peanuts: Charlie Brown Christmas" cartoon where Lucy talks about snow coming up out of the ground and then blowing up into the sky, instead of the other way around.
Edited by Jagged_Steel - 7/27/11 at 4:32pm
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 Originally Posted by XiDillon So what im getting here is that with a negative refraction you can redirect any light emitted through this material and basically create matter at its focus point whether its inside the material or beyond it. (?)
I would say more importantly can we slow light to the point that it will stop at a certain length? Lightsaber anyone?
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