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Really? Because you were 100% wrong about your previous statement about the speed of light. Well, then, I'd love for you to address claims you make, and back them up with real scientific evidence. Because based on your previous posts, you clearly have absolutely no understanding of the article, no concept of the speed of light or the consequences of the speed of light--yet you want to discuss it as if you did. Your arguments hinged upon multiple obvious misunderstandings, which completely negates your arguments.



HAHA, "petty swipes" at your intellect? They'd be "petty swipes" if I resorted to pointing out your obvious type-o's and grammatical errors. You were spouting 100% incorrect junk, specifically regarding the speed of light and what it means. My opinion of your intellect took a dive when I read your responses which clearly showed you don't know what you're talking about, and then it plummeted when you had to resort to commenting on my username.


Do you not get it? Theories are theories because they are supported by scientific fact, and that THEY HAVE NOT BEEN DISPROVED. How about you find proof--backed by scientific understanding rather than mindless drivel--that completely contradicts and disproves a scientific theory. I dare you. The point is that if someone like you mindlessly blabs about "this" and "that" theories being completely wrong and unbelievable, rational people who have a little bit of understanding in the area being discussed will expect proof. So show us your science-based proof.

I don't care if I sound like I'm making "petty swipes" at your (lack of) intellect--you clearly do not know and understand enough about this subject area to competently discuss it. If you brought up one shred of information that had even the slightest relevance and accuracy to the subject matter, I would have considered it. But it's clear you'd rather talk in terms of pseudo-science, and "if I can't measure it, it clearly cannot possibly exist or be true."

Have fun measuring everything just so you can believe it to be true.



Wow... Just...wow...
Ahh, the ol' "If I yell loud enough I am right" method of debate. I have already covered what you are again trying to falsly claim- particularly the "you were 100% wrong about your previous statement about the speed of light." claim. Nice job of just throwing out a bunch of random insults and baseless claims. You are completely going in circles about what exactly you have fault with here.What exactly is your beef ? So far I mostly have been asking questions and you are completely raging. I will repeat your lament "Wow, just Wow".
    
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This better not turn out like that god-awful voyager episode where Tom Paris went to warp 10 and evolved...
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Wow, if I understand the implications of a negative processor speed correctly, I could get insulted and have lies posted about what I have said before I even type something instead of having to wait a couple of nano-seconds.

And, by the way, I am definitely trying to lighten things up a bit here, so relax if your thinking about jumping all over me about this.....
Everyone should be able to have an opinion on this instead of insulting each other.
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Please feel free to quote me on where I stated that high school level understanding of such concepts were enough to explain, in full detail, of what is being described in this article.

If anything, with a high school level education, you would be giving a much more proper response then "What is this, I don't even."
The ones saying "What is this,I don't even" probably didn't read the article.
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So far I mostly have been asking questions and you are completely raging.
Mostly because you troll through the science threads pretending you know something about science when you clearly do not. Maybe you should click the link I posted and go back and actually read your own posts and see how ignorant you sound. In the other thread you were arguing about the definition of a "meter" and its use in defining speed of light in meters per second. Then you went on to argue about using a "second". Then you were properly explained to that it doesn't matter what we use to measure the speed of light, that won't change its speed. We could just as easily pick any measure of time and distance and the speed would be identical. Duckie even went so far as to explain how a second is defined by using the movement of electrons in Cesium atoms, for which you ignorantly replied that the scientists couldn't count electrons or know they have pure cesium, both of those claims are patently false. Counting the number of electrons, neutrons, protons, etc... in any element is standard practice.

And that is the back up to my previous claims about you trolling that entire thread arguing against mathematical and scientific facts. The thread is there for anyone to read to see how ignorant you truly are, I suggest you take a long hard look at it.

EDIT: Post 7,777 ftw.
Edited by lordikon - 7/27/11 at 5:06pm
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I do not consider asking questions and voicing my opinions as "crapping".
Great use of "epistemological" by the way.
i am not saying your opinion is crap... i know being meta is all the rage nowadays

crap = threads derailing into "U" "NO U" "NOOO U" and eventually all gets deleted by a mod in a rampage
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Mostly because you troll through the science threads pretending you know something about science when you clearly do not. Maybe you should click the link I posted and go back and actually read your own posts and see how ignorant you sound. In the other thread you were arguing about the definition of a "meter" and its use in defining speed of light in meters per second. Then you went on to argue about using a "second". Then you were properly explained to that it doesn't matter what we use to measure the speed of light, that won't change its speed. We could just as easily pick any measure of time and distance and the speed would be identical. Duckie even went so far as to explain how a second is defined by using the movement of electrons in Cesium atoms, for which you ignorantly replied that the scientists couldn't count electrons or know they have pure cesium, both of those claims are patently false. Counting the number of electrons, neutrons, protons, etc... in any element is standard practice.

And that is the back up to my previous claims about you trolling that entire thread arguing against mathematical and scientific facts. The thread is there for anyone to read to see how ignorant you truly are, I suggest you take a long hard look at it.

EDIT: Post 7,777 ftw.
I disagree. Unless you have had a secret meeting with the Ghost of Daniel Webster and decided upon new defintions of words, then asking questions means that I am admitting that I do not know something and would like to further my knowledge. It is truly bizzare how you are twistng that around and saying that I am doing the opposite.
    
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Mostly because you troll through the science threads pretending you know something about science when you clearly do not. Maybe you should click the link I posted and go back and actually read your own posts and see how ignorant you sound. In the other thread you were arguing about the definition of a "meter" and its use in defining speed of light in meters per second. Then you went on to argue about using a "second". Then you were properly explained to that it doesn't matter what we use to measure the speed of light, that won't change its speed. We could just as easily pick any measure of time and distance and the speed would be identical. Duckie even went so far as to explain how a second is defined by using the movement of electrons in Cesium atoms, for which you ignorantly replied that the scientists couldn't count electrons or know they have pure cesium, both of those claims are patently false. Counting the number of electrons, neutrons, protons, etc... in any element is standard practice.

And that is the back up to my previous claims about you trolling that entire thread arguing against mathematical and scientific facts. The thread is there for anyone to read to see how ignorant you truly are, I suggest you take a long hard look at it.

EDIT: Post 7,777 ftw.
I disagree. Unless you have had a secret meeting with the Ghost of Daniel Webster and decided upon new defintions of words, then asking questions means that I am admitting that I do not know something and would like to further my knowledge. It is truly bizzare how you are twistng that around and saying that I am doing the opposite.

And, by the way, you are continuing to lie about what I said- your satements about me claiming that scientists cant count electrons and such are complete and absolute lies. I questioned the methods that they are using and said that I thought they were invalid for a variety of reasons. Please stick to what I actually said. And i love your assertion that I was "arguing" about using the second. I was not arguing at all. I simply stated that I questioned the methods. In other words, I was questioning things.


Edit to add : This is classic and a perfect example of how you are trying to twist everything that I say:

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Then you were properly explained to that it doesn't matter what we use to measure the speed of light, that won't change its speed
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I never said ANYTHING about the method of measurement changing the speed of light . I said that the methods we are currently using are flawed and that we do no know what the real speed of light is. Why do you do this? Truly Bizzare.
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I disagree. Unless you have had a secret meeting with the Ghost of Daniel Webster and decided upon new defintions of words, then asking questions means that I am admitting that I do not know something and would like to further my knowledge. It is truly bizzare how you are twistng that around and saying that I am doing the opposite.
Lies. Look at how many times in that thread you told someone you disagree with them based on your opinion. If you know that you know less about something then someone else, quit telling them you disagree with them and listen to what they have to say, maybe you'll actually learn something. And when you tell someone that it's your opinion that doesn't get you off the hook, it's a science thread, where we like make statements backed up by evidence, not opinion.



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And, by the way, you are continuing to lie about what I said- your satements about me claiming that scientists cant count electrons and such are complete and absolute lies. I questioned the methods that they are using and said that I thought they were invalid for a variety of reasons. Please stick to what I actually said.
I apologize, I'll quote you from now on to be more accurate.

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How do these"scientists " know what atom they are looking at to derive the Second? They use formulas involving the Speed of Light, The Meter and the Second. A "Proof" requires using something other than itself to define itself. The fact of the "matter" (pun intended) is that we not only do not understand the basic nature of the Universe, we do not yet even have a way to take valid measurements.
Your first sentence is a question, however you've put scientists in quotations, I'm curious why? I guess you're not directly implying they can't determine what atom they're looking at, maybe you really don't know how they do it, which is fair.

You make statements like knowing what a "proof" is, and then clearly give the wrong definition. Here's a more accurate one:
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Proofs are obtained from deductive reasoning, rather than from inductive or empirical arguments. That is, a proof must demonstrate that a statement is true in all cases, without a single exception.
So I guess you're not really calling everyone liars, you're just saying they're wrong and that you know better. So I guess you're just ignorant. Sorry for the confusion.
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Yes, my previous post was cynical(to a point)...I apologize. Having been a longstanding member and previous mod here I should behave better than that.

We are ripping on Jagged_Steel for his "trolling"...but in some ways it is not. I in fact DID read the other thread and there are points on both sides that are correct and others that are not. The simple truth is all the constants, laws and theories used to define our universe as we know it have been obtained through our observations. We also know that those observations are both limited and capable of being fooled. Luckily many of the constants we work with in science, such as gravity, have worked out to be accurate enough to be reliable in the circumstances in which we utilize them. That doesn't mean they are absolutely correct and "factual" but that they work. You can throw "what if" conditions at anything in order to invalidate it. I also can appreciate the necessity to do so...when appropriate.

Bottom line here is that going back and forth with the "you said-you said" just takes away from the forum. In my day we would have culled these threads quite quickly if not lock them altogether.
Edited by Bindusar - 7/27/11 at 5:25pm
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Lies. Look at how many times in that thread you told someone you disagree with them based on your opinion. If you know that you know less about something then someone else, quit telling them you disagree with them and listen to what they have to say, maybe you'll actually learn something. And when you tell someone that it's your opinion that doesn't get you off the hook, it's a science thread, where we like make statements backed up by evidence, not opinion.
I sir have to emphatically disagree with your statements, particularly the accusation of being a liar.If I ask a question, Am I now supposed to agree with every thing that I am told? If I see issue with a statement, I feel it is not only my right , but duty, to voice these concerns with the validity of a given statement. It is called "debate". Again, you are trying to twist everything around for whatever reason it is that you are carrying on here.

I think you owe me an apology AGAIN, for baselessly and maliciously calling me a liar.
    
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