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Originally Posted by lordikon View Post
I just posted this somewhere else, but I can't stress enough that people really should read this article:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/...patents-attack
Seconded.

Pic related: Inserted article quote for TLDR.

post #52 of 116
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Originally Posted by Enfluenza View Post
if only my Zune HD had a bigger screen, proper app support (WP7 APPS OR SOMETHING PLEASE) and Microsoft still supported it Zunes HD would rape iPods easy.
So in other words, "if the Zune were better it would be better"?
post #53 of 116
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Originally Posted by K3VL4R View Post
Seconded.

Pic related: Inserted article quote for TLDR.

Here's another important quote from the article, referring a group of tech companies that spent 4.5 billion dollars to buy the patents from Novell when Novell was being liquidated:

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The portfolio eventually sold to Apple and a consortium of other tech companies including Microsoft and Ericsson. The price tag: $4.5 billion dollars. Five times the opening bid. More than double what most people involved were expecting. The largest patent auction in history.


That's $4.5 billion on patents that these companies almost certainly don't want for their technical secrets. That $4.5 billion won't build anything new, won't bring new products to the shelves, won't open up new factories that can hire people who need jobs. That's $4.5 billion dollars that adds to the price of every product these companies sell you. That's $4.5 billion dollars buying arms for an ongoing patent war.
To sum it up: Technology prices for consumers will rise due to the ongoing patent war, where companies are buying patents they don't even care to use for anything other than legal defense or suing others with. The patent system (with regards to software) is a complete and utter failure.
Edited by lordikon - 7/26/11 at 10:30pm
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post #54 of 116
banning this in the us would go against anti thrust laws i think ????
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If I invented an awesome phone and a month later everyone steals my ideas and makes a blantant copy I would be pretty pissed.

I know everyone's gonna say "Android is completely different from iOS" Well you have to consider what the average phone was like prior to the initial iPhone release.

You have a reasonable point but let's not forget the following:

1. In order for you to invent a phone that is compliant with the norm you need to make use of a few patents from Nokia. Sure, you can invent something totally new that will not work on the current infrastructure but I doubt it will be a hit.
2. From the moment Apple launched the iPhone they did exactly what they claim HTC and the Android world is doing: they were in blatant violation of a few patents. These patents belong to Nokia. Being Apple they refused to pay royalties like everyone else. A while back, Nokia and Apple reached a settlement. If memory serves, Nokia gets 8 $ per iPhone sold plus other goodies. Viceversa, Apple ends up using Nokia tech without being harassed.
3. The capacitive touchscreen belongs to Apple no doubt. Without them, you can be sure that using a stylus would still be in fashion. A huge point to Apple for showing people that a touch screen can be enjoyable and not frustrating like in the past. With cross-licensing, Nokia can use capacitive screens as much as they want without being sued.
4. This so called "reverse engineering" is to be expected in a market like this. It happens everywhere. Apple's reaction to Android devices comes at a time where analysts project a huge boom for Android. Jobs is simply trying to prevent this with the advantages given by the US legal system.
 
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Apple didn't even develop or invent this patent. They bought it.

Still think they deserve it?

Patents are supposed to protect inventors and developers, not the tech company with the deepest pockets and the largest, bought, patent library of inventions they have no interest in making and will wait for someone to make it so they can sue for large amounts of money.
Edited by Viridian - 7/27/11 at 3:15am
    
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post #57 of 116
I hate apple... basicly, htc was the first company that startedmaking phones with touch screen and now apple is being too smart... whats even worse apple is tryin to copy all other competitors... and than what... they will look to take those patents to themselves... quires....
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Originally Posted by Benladesh View Post
*Take away function, add it again 2 generations later*

"New, magical feature!"

*Zombies buy*
Spot on.

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Originally Posted by SIMPSONATOR View Post
Hmm good point. This already happened a few times, too? Didn't it? I can't remember what they are, exactly, but Apple did it.
I can think of at least 2: 3G and video calling with a dual-camera. My Motorola from 2004 did all this almost half a decade before CrApple, and guess what: at about a quarter of the price too (£60).


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i feel the same way. no way in hell i'd ever BUY an apple product. there are plenty of better alternatives out there! Acer Iconia tab or ASUS Transformer easily beat iPads, most high end android phones rape iPhones, and some MP3 players like my Zune can beat it easily. if only my Zune HD had a bigger screen, proper app support (WP7 APPS OR SOMETHING PLEASE) and Microsoft still supported it Zunes HD would rape iPods easy.

the only apple product i'd consider is a macbook pro, and those are ridiculously OVERPRICED -_-
The only Apple product I have is an Ipod 120GB, because there is no competitor for it unfortunately. If there was, believe you me, I would jump on it. Outside of the storage/capacity, in the features department, the Zune already rapes Ipods, so you've got nothing to worry about.
    
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Damn, first Microsoft ($5 per sold phone), now Apple...
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It doesn't bother me that Apple pursues these 'generic' patents for the purposes of legally defending themselves, but when Apple uses them to sue other companies that is just disgusting. (The only exception I would make here is for companies that are making 'clone' products, which HTC clearly isnt doing.)

Apple needs to put their lawdogs in check or else consumers will put their wallets in check.
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