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Oh boy it's the guy with fake numbers and imaginary knowledge on mythical product performance.

AMD is doing it wrong if by your logic they don't need anymore cpu power for games.


You should contact them so they can redesign the cpu so that gaming performance isn't increased in favor of more important things like power usage; we need those 30w desktops to play farmville.
    
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post #102 of 201
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Um, no.
Actually an 8 core Bulldozer would most likely be faster than a 2600K, unless AMD are doing something very wrong.

May I remind some of you: Saying CPU "A" is better than CPU "B" because it gets higher FPS in a game that doesn't even use the full potential of both CPU's, is nothing short of retarded. Stop doing it.
Edited by GameBoy - 7/27/11 at 11:52am
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Depends on what you consider important.

Rendering/folding are probably going to be the only two places AMD has a chance.
    
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post #104 of 201
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Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared View Post
Oh boy it's the guy with fake numbers and imaginary knowledge on mythical product performance.

AMD is doing it wrong if by your logic they don't need anymore cpu power for games.


You should contact them so they can redesign the cpu so that gaming performance isn't increased in favor of more important things like power usage; we need those 30w desktops to play farmville.
It's called an estimate, an educated guess. Most people can barely tell any difference if at all between 45 and 60 fps.

EDIT: I just ran a graphics benchmark on my iPhone. It runs a game and then determines how good fps you're getting. The difference between max settings at 45fps and high settings at 60fps was so negligible I had to try to notice a difference for me to notice any.

They didn't design the architecture with gaming in mind. Better gaming is a side effect of higher IPC and an overall faster CPU.

If gaming performance isn't increased, then NEXT TO NOTHING IS IMPROVED UPON. If it has better IPC and per-core performance, plus more cores, then EVERYTHING is going to be faster.

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May I remind some of you: Saying CPU "A" is better than CPU "B" because it gets higher FPS in a game that doesn't even use the full potential of both CPU's, is nothing short of retarded. Stop doing it.
Thank you.


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Depends on what you consider important.

Rendering/folding are probably going to be the only two places AMD has a chance.
Even if that was true, that's concrete evidence that it's a better CPU. Rendering and folding are some of the only things that truly push a CPU to its limits. However, Bulldozer will be an all-around champ. The only thing that may suffer somewhat compared to Sandy Bridge is IPC, but it will be very similar.
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post #105 of 201
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It's called an estimate, an educated guess. Most people can barely tell any difference if at all between 45 and 60 fps.
Not when you state it as a fact. Did you just pick a random number there? Why not 46 FPS? Or 44 FPS? What percentage is most people? Where's your source?

Anyone can shroud garbage as fact; that doesn't make it true.
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Not when you state it as a fact. Did you just pick a random number there? Why not 46 FPS? Or 44 FPS? What percentage is most people? Where's your source?

Anyone can shroud garbage as fact; that doesn't make it true.
It's the same thing as saying that almost no one can tell the difference between 60 fps and 128472834792836598237 fps. It's simply common knowledge. Most people who actually have experienced both will tell you. 45fps, whenever you hear it, is normally described as "smooth". Which it is. Same goes for the lowest playable fps for most people in most games being 30-35 (some fast paced games will require higher). Usually 45 fps and 60 fps aren't compared head on, usually that's 30 and 60, so it's hard to find a source besides a google search showing how no one complains about it and you see a lot of people asking "can I run _______ with _______ at 45 fps?"

While some hardcore gamers and people who work in such a field may be able to tell the difference between 45 and 60, for most people it's so negligible.
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I'm wondering when AMD will finally ditch the hideous PGA design and switch to an LGA socket. I absolutely despise PGA, whoever thought all those pins needed to go on the CPU package itself should be shot. It's especially baffling because they've used LGA sockets for the Opterons for years, why not for the desktop too? I was hoping BD would use an LGA socket but NOPE.

Just today I was reminded of my PGA hate when I was repairing and cleaning out my friend's **OLD** socket 478 Pentium 4 rig. Those pins...RAGE. All of my hate.
Would you rather have a bent pin on your CPU,it being easily fixed with a mechanical pencil or tweezers,or having a bent pin on the motherboard and have to go buy a new one?
Next gen BD on FM2 will supposedly use a LGA socket.
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Also fsx
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Come on.. Don't give me the "How many people can notice" excuse. I know starcraft, wow and Civ V are very cpu dependent games.
All those games which have poor GPU optimization. Most other games out there make more usage of the GPU than the CPU.
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Sadly AMD doesn't offer a cpu that won't bottleneck 470s.

Hopefully AMD can make up some performance in physics and integer performance this time around, so we can see some real benches from AMD users instead of cinebench.
Last I checked,Cinebench was a real benchmark.
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It's also a good principle to go by...

I mean why spend $500 on gpu(s) only to get 60% usage out of them?

Because you were too cheap to spring another $30 for a real cpu is not a good excuse.
Moot point is moot.
Anyone who spends $500 on graphics cards,is going to balance the rest of the system out with an expensive CPU as well.
Good to know my CPU is fake,the cost factored in is more than $30,you have to buy a more expensive motherboard too.
Edited by Heavy MG - 7/27/11 at 1:29pm
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Depends on what you consider important.

Rendering/folding are probably going to be the only two places AMD has a chance.
Those are pretty huge applications. I very much doubt it'll fall short for gaming either.
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Last I checked,Cinebench was a real benchmark.
That made me lol.

Don't you know Cinebench is a fake benchmark? It doesn't REALLY exist. XD
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Move along folks, nothing to see here but falsehoods, speculations, whining, crying, mis-information and just plain junk. /thread
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8120FX Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD7 2ea MSI r9-270x 16gb G-Skill Snipers 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD 3x1tb greens, 1x1tb black Adata S599 120gb LG DVDR/RW, LG Blueray CM V8 Win7 64bit 
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LG2762D Microsoft Antec TPN-750 CM HAF 932 
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